Daniel Paronetto (00:00)
Today we have Jared Snow. You guys did an 80 kilometer downwind just a few days ago, was it? Yeah, yeah, a few days ago. Me, Johnny, Liam, Adam, we all left from, yeah, Kenner River, which was pretty sick. I want to learn, you know, a couple of tricks that you have. The most important thing is just mast height. Your natural, you know, response is to like tense up and you're like, it's coming, you know, like I'm going to breach. And that is the worst possible thing to do. How are you complementing your suck downwinding with
with the power wing now. soon as I saw the power wing, I just saw all of the positive and I was like, let's just get one. Like I need one. think it's undeniable now that it's such a good thing to do and it's such a good compliment to downwind, especially if you're a surf downwind guy. You had a massive year last year from, you know, the middle of the year, you just were on a tear. You raced with boards that you designed. For sure. Yeah. How did you get into that? Yeah. Yeah. That's intense, man.
Like I want to talk a little bit about your partnership with your brother, Adam, who rips as well. yeah. I reckon that's a hundred percent true. Like I've done so many Paris swims recently on the prone board. Do you remember how it was like your learning experience on the pariwing the first time? Yeah, definitely. And that's actually a good point that reminded me another really good tip I think is just to like.
Daniel Paronetto (03:16)
Welcome to the LabRetFoiler podcast. My name is Dan and today we have Jared Snow. Welcome, man. I'm so stoked to have you here today.
Jarrod Snow (03:26)
Yeah, he's like, how's it going? And thanks for having me.
Daniel Paronetto (03:29)
Going well, Like you're the closest, I think you're the closest guest I've ever ⁓ recorded with. You live an hour from my house and it took us so long to get this synced up. I'm so happy we're actually doing this. ⁓ But dude, honestly, like last year I was super impressed with just you in the races and how you were performing. And I'm like, it's Jared. Like, you know, it's our guy here and you're crushing it.
Jarrod Snow (03:40)
Hahaha
Hahaha.
Daniel Paronetto (03:57)
So I'm super stoked to talk about down-winding. I want to learn a couple of tricks that you have for how to go fast when you're going downwind and what you're looking after. But before we get all into foiling, I really like to understand a little bit about our guests' backgrounds and understand what you bring in your little arsenal, your little tool bag of tricks into.
what you're doing today. And for me specifically, parowinging is interesting to see how you, ⁓ use your skills in parowinging. So let's start from the beginning, man. Like how did you get into, into water sports and what was that journey like?
Jarrod Snow (04:37)
Yeah. So like, you know, living down on the surf coast, that's pretty lucky. ⁓ dad got me into the water pretty young, like probably about 10. I started on the sup actually. So I started on the sup and then kind of progressed to kite surfing and then was kind of just hooked like in summer, just our winds are pretty good. We'd kite like all summer, you know, pretty epic conditions and then natural evolution into surfing. And then maybe around about like, I was pretty early adopter. So dad got a foil from Hawaii, like
quite early. And I started foiling maybe in 2013 was the first time I did it. And it was a homemade foil dad just slapped it together. It was pretty ghetto. We towed, tow foiled off a outside reef. And like, we just thought, you know, you can't really do anything but tow foil or kite foil these things. And that was sort of all we did. And then eventually we decided like, okay, maybe there's a bit more to it. We'll try and make a few more foils. And we started prone foiling.
Daniel Paronetto (05:12)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (05:36)
And that's
sort of when GoFoil started to come out and Takuma started to make their foils and, you know, inspired by Kai Lenny, of course, and everyone else in Hawaii. So that was pretty cool. ⁓ After a prone foiling for a while, I probably gave it up for a little bit, actually. I went back to surfing and kiting and I kind of competed kiting for a little bit and just, you know, stuffed around with that stuff. But the foiling came back to me when winging started.
Daniel Paronetto (05:54)
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (06:04)
And then I got really hooked on the winging. So did that for a few years, really loved it. And then the downwind scene sort of started to come in and yeah, that really hooked me. And ever since then, I've just never looked back.
Daniel Paronetto (06:04)
Right.
What, what like what inspired you to do that transition from winging into sup down winding.
Jarrod Snow (06:23)
Yeah, it was funny. Like I was actually kind of a little bit, I don't know, I wouldn't say against it, but I was kind of just like coming from kite surfing. I was looking at winging even just going like, oh, why would you wing? Like this seems like such a downgrade. And then once I tried down like, like winging, was like, oh my God, this is epic. Like what have I been doing? Just missing out, you know, like all these days that are subpar for kiting are so epic for winging.
Daniel Paronetto (06:32)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (06:46)
And unfortunately I had the same stigma going into downwinding. I'd look at them downwinding, I'd like, look at these guys missing out on all these waves winging, know? Like I'm getting so many sessions, getting so many waves and these guys are just battling downwinding. And then I was like, okay, I'm gonna try it. And then I tried that and I was like, my God, now look what I've been missing out on. So I'm so glad I made that transition, but honestly I wasn't an early adopter. I was a little bit late to the game downwind foiling.
Daniel Paronetto (07:04)
Mmm. ⁓
Well, you picked up and you closed that gap pretty quickly,
Jarrod Snow (07:16)
Yeah, yeah,
that's pretty keen, pretty addicted to it.
Daniel Paronetto (07:21)
Yeah, I think, I think that's, ⁓ that's one of the things that just gets you into like down-winding is just that man. It's the biggest hit of dopamine you can ever had just connecting bumps and just being out there and like, so in touch with, you know, the elements and your, your spot here is amazing. Like you have a cool stretch of, ⁓ of coast that on a Southwest it's just firing. guys did an 80 kilometer downwind or just a few days ago, was it?
Jarrod Snow (07:31)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Yeah, yeah, a few days ago, yeah. We've got a long ghost. Me, Johnny, Liam, Adam, we all left from, yeah, Kenne River, which was pretty sick. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (07:50)
You and Johnny, who else was in it?
Wow, how is that? Like how
do you plan for something that long?
Jarrod Snow (08:03)
⁓ Logistics are a little bit tricky for sure, but we're just trying to avoid the pickup at the top end. So family and friends unfortunately get lots of call-ups and we try and make it as best as possible for us. But what we did actually is we got the V-Line bus and we got the bus up to the top and then we just, got my mate's mom drove him up and all the gear and then we just met them at the top and yeah, sent it.
Daniel Paronetto (08:06)
Mm.
Alright
That is sick man, that's some serious practice. 80Ks is no joke. Did everybody make it okay? I didn't see the end of it. I saw it in the group and then I'm like, oh my God, I hope the boys make it.
Jarrod Snow (08:32)
Yeah.
Yeah, we all made it. So we all made it all the way to the end. And it was absolutely nuking like lot stronger than forecast and a lot more significant swell than forecast. So it was legit for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (08:46)
Mmm.
Was it that day that it kind of hit like 40 knots? Like it was proper nuking. Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (08:54)
Yeah, proper windy. Yeah, like
we started and we're like, this is pretty windy, but like it was probably only 20 to 30 knots. And then halfway through the round, it came in really strong, like probably more than 40 knots. It was really strong. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (08:59)
Mmm.
Yeah, I missed
out on that one. I'm not into the bigger ones anymore, man. I don't know if I can do an 80 kilometer. I don't think I could do a 40 kilometer downwind these days. I'd be cooked.
Jarrod Snow (09:17)
Yeah,
I feel like there's like surf runs too. Like I prefer to do surf runs around like the 20k to even 10k mark because like back leg just starts to burn out. You know, like if you're doing that many turns the whole way, but if you kind of like that, like that day was a bit different, I guess, cause it's so windy and so strong that you just kind of like Mac 10 the whole way, keeping up with swells. You're not really doing many turns, but if it's, I was writing a prototype foil and it was around about the 600 square mark.
Daniel Paronetto (09:25)
Mmm.
Yeah, what were you writing?
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (09:46)
It's actually a little bit big for those conditions, but was super impressive. So pretty happy with it. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (09:51)
Nice.
Sick. Sick. Do you ever write production stuff anymore? Is it just like testing, testing, testing, testing?
Jarrod Snow (09:57)
Yeah, actually,
I love testing gear. Like it's probably one of my most favorite things to do is just testing gear out. But I actually ride prototype stuff a lot more than people think. Like I think that riding like, especially the S series and the X series downwind foiling and trying to make them do something that are not good at like go fast or something is really, really good training. And it's like, how can you do it effortlessly, you know? So trying to figure out a way to pump and not.
Daniel Paronetto (10:01)
Yeah.
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (10:25)
or not pump I guess and just connect the dots and keep it gliding on a foil that's not really that great at it. It's such good training because when you get on a foil that's good at it, it's just so much easier.
Daniel Paronetto (10:31)
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember a little while back, you posted, I don't know. think it was a one 45 kilometer, ⁓ time on the seven 20 S I think it was. And I was like, I mean, cause in my mind and, and in my opinion is changing a little bit about how I use foils for downwinding, because of the X series that came out for code and for what I do, the X series just unreal. ⁓ but when I think about.
Jarrod Snow (10:46)
Yeah.
yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (11:04)
racing, I'm always like, you have to be on a 16 aspect ratio foil to win it, right? But you're super fast on the S series. You're super fast on the X series. what, how, how do you ride them on a sub like on, on a, on a stretch to be fast on those foils? Cause it's so different.
Jarrod Snow (11:08)
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure, it is so different and like it's more forgiving to ride a high aspect foil fast because they're average-ly fast. But it's funny, the S series and the X series, they're quite a small span in comparison, obviously, because they're lower aspect. So that naturally gives them a really good top end. So if you can look at the ocean in a way, like how can I pull out the most amount of top end out of the ocean? So you're looking for downhills and you put your foil and yourself into a spot where you're always riding a downhill.
Daniel Paronetto (11:53)
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (11:53)
and
you're just avoiding any sort of like up and overs or like you're looking for as many little wormholes as you can to get to the next downhill. And that's probably the best way to ride the S and the X's to go fast, I guess. But the most important thing is this mast height. Like if you can keep your mast really, really high on those foils, they love it. Like they go so fast. But yeah. Just breach. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (11:59)
Mm-hmm.
That is sick. How do you practice for mass height? You just breach, right? You just have to really... ⁓ that sucks.
Jarrod Snow (12:23)
It sucks man, it's scary
and like the one thing I've been really learning recently too, like I've been doing a lot of rounds that aren't like crazy fast at all, but just practicing mass type. But when you're getting it up really high, your natural, you know, response is to like tense up and you're like, it's coming, you know, like I'm going to breach. Like I just breached like 10 meters ago, you know, like I'm going to do it again. So you start to like really tense up and that is the worst possible thing to do. Cause as soon as you tense up, the board's not going to react the way you want it to react and you're just going to breach.
Daniel Paronetto (12:39)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (12:53)
So if
you can figure out a way to get that voice out of your head where it's going to say, I'm about to breach, I'm about to breach, just get rid of that thought and just start thinking, I'll be fine. Just get as close to the water as I can and relax. And you get super high and you'll just start to realize that it actually loves sitting close to the water surface and it won't breach.
Daniel Paronetto (13:12)
So how high is super high for you? Because I think I'm high and then I watch like, I, if I, you know, have someone film me on the drone, I'm like, man, I have like another foot that I can actually go up and you're like, how do you, how do you, is it a sensitivity thing? You just feel it.
Jarrod Snow (13:21)
Hahaha, totally.
Yeah, I think the more you do it, the more like used to the feeling you get of how close to the water surface you are. But I'm the same. Like I'll be like, yeah, I was killing it there. And then someone will film something and I'd be like, damn, I really wasn't high at all. But I think the more you do it, the better you get at it. But you know, it's all just practice, I guess.
Daniel Paronetto (13:39)
Yeah, I know.
Yeah. Well, let's talk, let's touch a little bit about gear because we're getting into foils pretty quickly. ⁓ What's your kind of like basic racing setup?
Jarrod Snow (13:53)
Yeah.
For sure. So basic racing setup is pretty high aspect foils. They're usually the prototype stuff at the moment. And I typically like to go like a 75 mast. It's really tricky to like pick one. A 75 mast is... Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (14:15)
You used to be on the 85. I remember you used to, you started on the 85,
which is crazy long for a, racing.
Jarrod Snow (14:22)
Totally.
Yeah. I really liked the 85 and I really liked the eighties as well. And that's why it's hard for me to like say, yeah, I really liked to race the 75, but there's just too many benefits on the smaller mass. Like they do pump better. You have more connectivity to the foil and it's easier to ride high, but the negative effect of riding a short mast is yeah, you, it's a lot easier to breach when you're going up and over swells and when it gets quite big. So.
Daniel Paronetto (14:35)
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (14:49)
Yeah, there's a bit of a compromise there, but I think overall it's a little bit easier. It's a little bit easier to paddle off a small mast as well. And then typically for like racing, you know, just quite a small front wing and then a small tail as well. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (14:54)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so you're just on
the normal R-Tails.
Jarrod Snow (15:06)
Um, not at the moment. I got some like prototype stuff that we're testing out, but typically if I was running an R I'd be running like the 110. That's pretty good tail. And like even the 120 is still really good for racing too. Just depends on the conditions. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (15:18)
Yeah, so you get to
the beach, you have a look at the conditions like I've seen you on a 1540 to a 600 S I think like you use everything. I've seen you, well I haven't seen you but I've seen you post things about doing reverse runs like doing downwinders against swell like how do you, so you get to the beach what do you do like how do you choose your foil for the day?
Jarrod Snow (15:27)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So I think getting
to the, yeah, getting to the beach and choosing a foil, think it sounds ridiculous when you just like show up somewhere and you just pick a foil. But I think the more and more that you do downwind runs, the more like reference points that you get and you kind of look at the ocean like, I've done a run on the 720 and it looks similar to that. So I could probably get away with it. But the one thing that I really enjoy doing, which probably isn't that enjoyable for a lot of people is I like to run a small foil or not necessarily a small foil, but just the foil it's not.
probably suited to those conditions. So it'll look pretty light or it's like reverse run and I'll just be like, all right, I'm gonna take like the 600R or something and I'll pedal out on that and it'll be an absolute punish. Like it'll be the whole way from start to finish, you know, just horrible. But yeah, it's full murder, but you're like, all right, if I can get that foil to go downwind in those conditions, when it's 10 knots more, I'll be totally fine. So like showing up to the beach on a certain day and you've had those runs that are really bad.
Daniel Paronetto (16:17)
Hmm.
murder.
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (16:45)
Makes it a lot easier just to pick foils when it's good. You can just go, okay, I've done it. We can just pick a foil today. We can get out there and it'll be fine. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (16:53)
Yeah, it's,
I, I, ⁓ I love explore. try to keep, think nowadays I have probably two foils that I use a lot, the eight 10 X and the nine 80 S. So I'm really just in between those two right now. So if it's like 13 knots, I'll be on the nine 80 big board, big parrowing. and I think for me, the big thing that I kind of figured out with the code stuff was just the fuse length.
Jarrod Snow (17:04)
Yep. Sick.
Sick.
Daniel Paronetto (17:22)
Got the fused, like the shorter fuses made me so much faster going downwind. ⁓ And the R series now, those are, I just use those three tails. ⁓ I don't use the ARs too much anymore, but I've chopped all the R series to be the same span as the 142 AR. So I'm like on a super surfy kind of thing, but I don't have to pump it up, right? I can get up on the parrowing. So that's pretty easy. ⁓
Jarrod Snow (17:27)
Sick.
Sick.
Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (17:50)
What do you, I mean, you're, you rip on the parowing as well, man. I've seen you on the parowing. You love it. ⁓ how, how are you, how are you complimenting your, your soft down winding with, with the parowing now?
Jarrod Snow (17:56)
Cheers!
Yeah, it's a funny thing, the powering. It's really kind of changed the way I look at the ocean because on days that I was like, it's a speed run today. You know, the swell is pretty big, the wind's pretty on. It's usually just a speed run, but now powering with a small board and a small foil, they can go so fast and the board's so nimble that it actually turns those big days into surfy days. So it's really, really fun. Like I'm like loving it.
Daniel Paronetto (18:28)
So.
Jarrod Snow (18:28)
And basically like, yeah, I have the question of like, how does it compliment it? Like once I'm over pumping down wind and going fast, you know, like I'm like, yeah, let's pull the power wing out and it doesn't really matter. Like as long as there's wind, it's pretty much a surf day now for a power wing, which is sick.
Daniel Paronetto (18:32)
Mmm.
So, so tell me a little bit about your, like, what, what do you really enjoy? Cause I mean, obviously you're killing it in the races. You had a massive year last year from, you know, the middle of the year, you just were on the tear. ⁓ yeah, like it was awesome to see, man. I, know, following your, like last year and your racing was like, fuck man, he's killing it. And how do you, what, what do you prefer? Like, do you prefer to go on that racing?
Jarrod Snow (18:57)
haha
Haha, cheers!
Daniel Paronetto (19:12)
⁓ kind of vibe and, just go fast and efficient, like, you like taking, cause your background is surf, right? So like you take the pair wing and you have those balmy days and you don't care. You're like, you ride a little bump for awhile, check it back out, go, you know, do laps or whatever. What, what are you enjoying more these days?
Jarrod Snow (19:20)
Totally.
Yeah.
So like I love to do what the conditions provide the most. So like if it's really no swell at all and it's just all wind bumps, like that's a surf day for sure. No matter really the wind strength, like if it gets up to 40 knots, like it's still really a surf day. So I love to do what it's providing, but if there's a lot of ground swell and there's not that much wind swell, it's just not that fun to turn.
Like if you do a turn, you kind of fade the bump, the bump goes away from you, you got a pump and then you get the next one and then you do another turn and you fade it again. It's just like those days I'd rather just go fast. I'm trying to figure out the efficiency and know, mass, height and all that sort of stuff. And it's the same way, like if it's really, really surfy, like the Bay style bumps, you know, and you're trying to go fast, I just feel like you're wasting it. So I prefer, yeah, I prefer just to do what the conditions are providing really. And I love both too, like.
Daniel Paronetto (20:04)
you
totally.
Do you...
Jarrod Snow (20:22)
Both of them have their place, you
Daniel Paronetto (20:22)
That's good. Yeah, yeah, do you always have a pair of wing on you when you go out?
Jarrod Snow (20:28)
Not always, but if it's a onshore run or if I'm planning to do some more surfing, like typically we'll take a parrowing. Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (20:33)
Mmm.
Yeah, nice. Do you
remember the first time you saw one of those things and your first thoughts on them? Because I remember like what I thought about it.
Jarrod Snow (20:45)
Yeah, I remember, so it's super funny. Like I was saying before, I had like a, you know, misconception about the power wings and the same thing about down-winding, but I learned from those two things. I was like, I'm never going to do that again. So as soon as I saw the power wing, I just saw all of the positive and I was like, let's just get one. Like I need one. So I was reaching out to all the brands. I like, please get me one. I'm super keen to try, you know, like.
Daniel Paronetto (21:03)
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (21:09)
And then we got like the first one we got was an ensis power wing and unfortunately it wasn't the easiest to use, but man, I loved just doing it, know, like figuring out what's possible. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (21:19)
Yeah,
I remember really early on we went on a downwind of Yumi and Billy, think. And you guys were like, my God, what is that? And Billy was like, I don't get it.
Jarrod Snow (21:24)
Yeah.
Yeah, Billy doesn't get it. He still
doesn't like power winging.
Daniel Paronetto (21:33)
He's
trying. think he's got I saw him last time I was in your neck of the woods. He was he was out there. He was yeah he's keen.
Jarrod Snow (21:38)
Yeah, totally. Yeah. I think
it's undeniable now that it's, it's such a good thing to do. And it's such a good compliment to downwind, especially if you're a surf downwind guy. I think it's such a great compliment and Billy's one of those guys. So he'll get there. It's just a bit of a slog at the moment.
Daniel Paronetto (21:49)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Have you ever, ⁓ do you use the powering much to like on a day? Cause you're, your coastline is really favorable for a certain type of wind direction. ⁓ do you use it a lot when like the wind is not really favorable and you do want to get out and practice? Is that something that you use a pair of wing for it?
Jarrod Snow (22:07)
for sure.
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely. It's one of those things that just a bit of a session saver and you can go out enjoy it and like we get like a direct onshore wind and There's nothing you can do is no downwind runs you can do Circel onshore and bad and if you take the power wing like the bumps are some of the best that we get on the whole coast but you know, You just have to take the power wing and go out there and it's the only way you can do it So there's definitely a time and a place for each
Daniel Paronetto (22:27)
Mm.
Yeah, absolutely.
Jarrod Snow (22:41)
component of foiling at the moment, I think, and that's definitely the power wing at the moment.
Daniel Paronetto (22:47)
I, ⁓ I feel like for people that are getting into downwind in general, ⁓ just learning how to downwind with the power wing is, a huge bonus, especially if you come from a winging background. ⁓ what would you kind of, ⁓ like suggest for people that are wanting to get into downwinding and they're looking at the power wing as a good alternative to get started? What are some tips that you can give them to, get into the, the sub down, not the sub downwinding world, but just a downwinding world.
Jarrod Snow (22:56)
Mmm.
Yeah, totally, man, it is such a great way to learn. Like, I don't know if everyone knows it, but it is epic. Like, yeah, it's a little bit fickle with wind, but if you've got good wind, man, the power wing downwind is the best. But the best sort of tip I reckon is like, a lot of people are trying to match the power wing to the wind of that day. And that, you know, it's quite hard to get it right. So if you go a little bit under, you're not going to get up on foil. So my biggest tip would just be to overestimate. Go a little bit bigger on your power wing size.
and you're gonna go downwind anyway. So like if you can get up, that is the name of the game and you're gonna fall off heaps because you're learning how to downwind foil. So you're gonna be getting up heaps. So it'd be way better to have more power. So up the size of the power wing and then just make sure you're getting up on foil and you'll have a good time.
Daniel Paronetto (23:48)
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah, I totally agree with that. Going downwind, you'll be juiced up, but as soon as you get up, you can put it away or just hold it in your hand for a little bit. If you need more power, chuck it out. And even that repetition by itself is probably a good practice for you to get used to stowing, get used to all of these things that are super new. ⁓ Do you remember how it was like your learning experience on the power wing the first couple of times?
Jarrod Snow (24:15)
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's actually a good point that reminded me. Another really good tip, I think, is just to like really do a lot of ground handling and stowing and packing it and throwing it back out and just do heaps of that on the beach and you'll be way better off when you get in the water. But yeah, my first time powering was like on a, on a SUP and it was too light and it was on a three meter and we were just like flapping around out in the ocean trying to figure it out.
Daniel Paronetto (24:37)
Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (24:56)
But it was so fun, because learning new stuff like that on, it was like an onshore day, we had nothing to do. The wind was kind of light, there was no real surf, but it was so fun just to try and figure it out. Jumping up and down on a big foil, on a tiny little power wing trying to figure it out.
Daniel Paronetto (25:02)
Mm-hmm.
It sucks the beginning of this any sports in foiling it's always a slog isn't it? Do you do you think you drew more like ⁓ technique and and and just skill from kite foiling and kite surfing or winging? What helped you the most?
Jarrod Snow (25:17)
Yeah, totally, yeah.
I think the kite,
yeah, it's hard to say. I think both of them really help, but I think the kite, I think the kiting, not so much about flying the kite, but just, like one of my mates said it the other day, ⁓ if you're kite surfing and you fall in, the number one name of the game is to keep the kite flying, like don't crash your kite. And I think that transitioned really well. Like you fall in the water, just keep that power wing flying, you know, don't.
Daniel Paronetto (25:48)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (25:55)
Don't
crash it in the water. You don't have to restart the whole process again. Keep it dry. So I think doing that really, really helped. And then the angles really helped too. So the same thing with a kite. Like if you follow the kite downwind, you're obviously going to lose a heap of power and a kite will stall and it'll have a huge negative effect by just falling into the water. And the powering is the same. It doesn't have that rigidity of the leading edge where you can just follow it downwind and you'll be fine.
Daniel Paronetto (26:17)
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (26:20)
So think having that kite background definitely helped with angles and also knowing where to position the power wing.
Daniel Paronetto (26:27)
Yeah, I see, like I, I put the parrowing in the hands of so many people and the people that do kite, you give them the parrowing in, two seconds. Like, ⁓ okay, okay. I got it. You know, and, and they, they're able to put a little tension on the real lines, all that stuff. And people who wing, they'll be like, ⁓ it doesn't turn. And they don't, they don't have just that instinct of just reacting to something different on the bar to get the input that you want on the parrowing. And I feel like.
Jarrod Snow (26:38)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Totally.
Daniel Paronetto (26:56)
Kiders, they have such a massive experience. Once you get over the hump of just getting up, which wingers might have a little bit of an edge with the balance and it's kind of similar. Once you're up and riding, man, it's kite foiling. Yeah. And kite foiling is sick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Your angles, you're hooked in like, ⁓ it's so similar. It's so similar to that. Did you do much kite foiling back in the day?
Jarrod Snow (27:10)
yeah, absolutely. Yeah, like trimming it, all that stuff.
For sure.
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
Yeah, I did a fair bit of kite foiling actually. Like it was such a good compliment to like, cause I was into the surf and I was also doing twin tip as well, like freestyle. So it was such a good compliment because both of those disciplines needed so much wind and particular types of wind for it. So anytime that it wasn't like that, you know, kite foiling was such a great way to get out there. So we're doing it heaps. Yeah. Yeah. It's so fun.
Daniel Paronetto (27:38)
Mm-hmm.
I still love it.
It's so fun. ⁓ let's get into down winding a little bit, man, because I want to pick your brains and I want to learn a little bit about this, the downwind foil world tour. Like explain to us a little bit of what's going on. I'm a little bit outside of the, whole racing scene, but now there's a proper world tour. Is that, is that what that is?
Jarrod Snow (28:05)
Hahaha
Yeah,
that's what that is. Yeah. There's a proper world tour now. So it's made up of the three major events. So it's like Hawaii, France, and then WA and it's two events of each. So Maui to Molokai, ⁓ Molokai to Oahu. And then the France, the two events there, one in Saint-Tropez and one in Crisone. And then it's the West coast downwind and the doctor in WA. So.
Daniel Paronetto (28:16)
That's awesome.
Mm-hmm.
Sick.
Jarrod Snow (28:38)
Yeah, it's promoting the whole sport for downwinding. It's good to get everyone to show up to these events to try and grow the downwind foiling road tour, which is pretty epic. you know, the Molokai Tour Wahoo is still going to be a world tour event by itself. And then there's also going to be like the ranked stuff as well for doing all of the events. But the way that it's set up so far, it's really great because like,
Daniel Paronetto (29:04)
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (29:04)
You don't have to show up to every event. You can miss two and still be ranked.
Daniel Paronetto (29:09)
cause I went to on the website just to have a look at it and I noticed that yeah, a few of the, you know, big names hadn't gone. I'm like, they're out. You know, they're not gonna, they're not going to in the right. you, you, so out of six events, you lose two, two events scores really.
Jarrod Snow (29:12)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, two are kind of like a buffer,
so if you do poorly or if you just don't show up, say you couldn't make it to one of the events, you can still be highly ranked, which is a great way to do it, I think. Yeah, and I could be wrong, but like I'm pretty sure that's the way it's working. Just want to make sure, yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (29:35)
Sick. Yeah, I like that. ⁓ So you... That's what it would just go. We'll run with that. It's fine.
So the first one is in France. Those two first ones are in France. How are the conditions in France? Because I know, obviously, when you go to Hawaii, it's the mecca. It could be good. It could be bad. could be like... ⁓ But how is France?
Jarrod Snow (29:57)
Yeah.
Man, France is a really cool place. Like I didn't, I didn't know they got such great conditions, but the Mediterranean is like, it must be the perfect size body of water for downwind foiling because it builds up the most crazy wind swells, like the perfect wave period and size. And you can just go so fast, like effortlessly fast. You can just sit on barms and they're going like 40 K an hour and you're just going straight downwind. Man, they're epic.
Daniel Paronetto (30:16)
Nice.
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (30:30)
So the med is a really, really great, yeah, shorter period than like a swell, like a ground swell. So they're probably up to like maybe 10 second period, but it's like, it's just so easy to go fast. It's so organized, kind of like Bay style, but really big. And then we just, unfortunately didn't time the weather for the waiting period of the event. So the event itself was a little bit light and it was a little bit of a work, but
Daniel Paronetto (30:30)
So are they shorter period, you said?
Yep.
Mm.
Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (30:58)
You know, it showed who was best on that day and it was showed who's like the most well rounded downwind foiler, I guess. So that was in, the, that was down in St. Tropez. Yeah. And then Crozon was, um, they've got a really interesting coastline. So they've got like a huge access to ocean downwind runs. And then there's also got more of a protected run that goes into a large bay. And it's like a, I think it was like a 20, 25 kilometer run and it was quite windy. Um,
Daniel Paronetto (31:05)
I've, yeah... Chris Song? Centripet.
Jarrod Snow (31:28)
quite windy offshore and had like a large ground swell, but then the actual race was quite light. So it was quite a tricky condition to downwind foil against everyone. And yeah, again, it showed who was best in the most well-rounded downwind foiler.
Daniel Paronetto (31:43)
I think that's what you're saying there. It makes a lot of sense because you go to Hawaii and people that do, know, Molokai to Aho once a week, you know, they know that run and like you said, all different conditions, will look, they'll have that reference point for their gear. And not that it's not fair, but they do have an advantage, you know, they, they, they've experienced that run so many times. So I think to have a world tour that goes to these different spots and seeing.
Jarrod Snow (31:52)
Yeah.
Yeah.
for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (32:12)
the best compete in different conditions. Like that's awesome. I mean, knowing how to go downwind in 10 knots. Let's go. Let's see who can do it. You know, like I think that's pretty cool.
Jarrod Snow (32:17)
Yeah.
Totally. Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely. then like chucking in like navigational hazards, like seaweed in Perth, you know, like it all, you know, it all builds up to like, who can figure it out the quickest in these conditions and who's got the most experience basically. And it's such a great way to like kind of, cause like in Hawaii, like you said, you know, you do a run and like you put one foil in, like, you know exactly what you're going to get. Like the wind's very consistent. The conditions are really consistent. And that, that is definitely a discipline in itself, trying to figure out how to go fast there. But.
Daniel Paronetto (32:31)
Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (32:56)
To know what to put on when you're looking from the beach out into the ocean at a certain type of condition is really tricky.
Daniel Paronetto (33:02)
Yeah. So you go from France, you did WA, you did really well in WA. So you won both events.
Jarrod Snow (33:10)
Yeah, I won both those ones which was sick. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (33:12)
Nice. Tell us about
that because I heard about the seaweed, I heard about everything like that and WA is sick. Tell us about that as well.
Jarrod Snow (33:16)
Yeah.
man,
it is so sick. WA is so consistent for weather for downwind foiling and it is so great for surf foiling too, surf downwind foiling. But the races that we had, we had like a really unfortunate weather pattern that's quite rare and it blew west, which blew all of the seaweed onto the beaches and the actual west coast downwind was basically like a cross headwind for the whole run.
Daniel Paronetto (33:24)
Hmm.
Jarrod Snow (33:46)
and it had the most amount of seaweed I've ever ever downwind foiled in. It was unbelievable. Like every kilometer I did like a weed jump to clear weed for I think 28 kilometers. Like it was pretty gnarly.
Daniel Paronetto (33:47)
Kiss.
my god.
I'm sure people didn't finish that.
Jarrod Snow (34:02)
Yeah, a fair few didn't finish that one. like the weather forecasting for that day had two different kind of opposing models, I guess. One of them was saying it was going to stay pretty bad. And then one of them was saying, okay, it's going to get good halfway through the race and it's going to be quite like a favorable condition to downwind. So half of the fleet put on small foils to try and catch that wind. And those guys, man, they're animals. Cause some people finish that race having like 600 square foils on.
Daniel Paronetto (34:13)
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (34:30)
And like I rode the 1250R, so yeah, it's pretty outrageous. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (34:30)
That's absurd. Whoa, that is crazy. Wow.
my God. You must have finished like light years ahead of everyone.
Jarrod Snow (34:42)
Yeah, I did pretty good in that race. think James and Kyle were quite close behind at one point and then towards the end, there was just like these massive patches of seaweed that kind of just caught everyone and pretty much just like a big paddle finish at the end. But luckily I got through that. I actually landed on a beach a little bit downwind. I ran up the beach and then paddled back out and around a boy. So pretty funny. Yeah, I had a bit of time, a bit of time up my sleeve. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (34:51)
Oh, that's sick.
You had time, that's good.
And so now there's four out of the six events done. ⁓ we have Hawaii. How do you, how do you practice for that? Like, how do you prepare for, for that one?
Jarrod Snow (35:23)
Yeah. So like it would be great if Hawaii was soon because our runs at home and in summer here are really, really great. And we're getting so much training in and, know, it's quite similar to Hawaii. We've got a large ground swell and large fetch for wind swells. So it does feel quite similar. ⁓ even the coast is on the right side. So it is quite a good training ground here, but in the lead up to Hawaii, we go into winter and we get less and less days to train. So.
Daniel Paronetto (35:31)
Hmm
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (35:52)
I'm not sure how I'm going to play that one. Like there's obviously going to be a lot of flat water sessions and doing a lot of small foils in the wrong kind of conditions to try and build up that technique and everything. But I think the best way to do it is to get over to Hawaii early and just practice. So that's definitely on the cards for me this year, but I'm not sure how I'm going to do it.
Daniel Paronetto (35:59)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dude, just spend a month there.
Jarrod Snow (36:14)
yeah, I'm super keen to like hit up everyone and see how many catches are available and figure it out.
Daniel Paronetto (36:17)
Hmm. Cause not putting any pressure
on you, but there's you have, you're, you're in the running man. Like, and I think people are like, they're, they're like, shit, Jared's coming. You know, like you're, you're a contender now, man. That's sick.
Jarrod Snow (36:27)
Yeah.
haha
Yeah, it's pretty sick. It's crazy to think that's happened. Going to Hawaii last year for the first time was just kind of like a holiday. Just feeling it all out and kind of did the races and was like, shit, there's actually something here. And now going back this year, it's going to be totally different.
Daniel Paronetto (36:45)
Yeah.
How was that ⁓ first experience that there was like three races there leading up to no two races leading up to MTL, right?
Jarrod Snow (37:00)
Yeah. Yeah. So there was, um, the wet feet race. Yeah. Wet feet, uh, Voyager race on Oahu. And then there's, yeah. Then there was the wet feet. Uh, sorry. Then there was the paddle of Mua on Maui. And then there was Maui to Molokai and then Molokai to Oahu. So the first race was super funny. That was like a pretty bombing day for the run that we've, you know.
Daniel Paronetto (37:02)
Paddle the moer.
Yep, okay
Hmm?
How'd you go on those?
Jarrod Snow (37:25)
that, that run that they do, the ADs run has a lot of backwash for the first part on Oahu. And it's quite a difficult run in my opinion. And I'd only done two runs maybe before the race. And this wind was nuking. Like it was absolutely nuking. So everyone was bolting on tiny foils and I just went, okay, I better do the same thing. Like bolts on a small foil. And I paddled up at the start, no worries. And just took a little bit too long of a line and got caught in the backwash for about 20 minutes.
Daniel Paronetto (37:30)
Mm.
Ugh.
Jarrod Snow (37:52)
So I had a real shock of that run and didn't do that great on the first, first race. then paddle of Mua was a lot better. I came fifth, I think in the paddle of Mua and it was quite a difficult run. like you get the typical Malika really good bounce, you know, epic all the way in, but typically you finish that run in the harbor. So that's kind of like you go past, past where we finished, come over the name of the beach that we finished at, but you typically go past that and come into the harbor.
Daniel Paronetto (38:08)
Mm.
Jarrod Snow (38:22)
but typically it's a paddling race for canoes. So you go into the beach and it's about a K and a half of just like a flat water downwind pump. And it was gnarly. So everyone's kind of on different foils for the pump at the finish and it's less of a sprint. And it's like, yeah, it was intense. And there was a little bit of strategy too, like where to come in on the reefs. Some people went in wide, some people went in early. ⁓ But that was a really fun day. That was a really, ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (38:25)
Mm.
⁓ God.
Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (38:51)
interesting kind of game of chess, I guess. And then we had, yeah, Maui to Molokai. And the Maui to Molokai was so fun. Like that is by far the best channel crossing in Hawaii or that I've done anyway. Yeah, it's epic. Absolutely. Like really good bumps at the start, really kind of massive ocean swell style bumps. And then you just kind of fanging along. And as you go further and further, it turns into more of a Bay run.
Daniel Paronetto (38:54)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, a lot of people say that. Yeah, they feel it's more of a fun one.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (39:20)
And
it's such an interesting feeling because you're really far offshore and you design your run. So you're really far offshore. And as everyone knows, when you get into Bay style bumps, you know, they're quite close together and they're a lot smaller. So you can't go straight over them on a small foil. So you design your run to go quite wide and you come in at a 45 degree angle on these bumps. So you're coming in kind of across the wind. So you can go quite fast, um, you know, cutting into the beach.
Daniel Paronetto (39:42)
No.
Jarrod Snow (39:49)
And it's really interesting to play that game. see some people going wide, some people cutting in early and it's a bit of a mind game to like stick to your original line and you know, play that game. And yeah, that race was really good. I think I came seventh in that race too. So did pretty well in that one. And then the, yeah, M2O was, that's like a legit run. That's like a true test of, know.
Daniel Paronetto (39:54)
Mm-hmm.
That's cool.
Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (40:14)
your foiling ability and your mental strength too, because there's two different converging swells and then a wind swell in the middle. So the swell that's wrapping around Molokai on the top side bends around and goes kind of cross downwind onto the right-hand side. And then there's wind bumps that are coming from the Molokai run that we just did. That's bending around the bottom side of Molokai and coming up from the left-hand side. So there's two major swells and then there's a wind bump down the middle and it is tricky for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (40:29)
Mm-hmm.
Well, yeah, that I see, I can see why you do reverse for runs. You do, you get out there every day, no matter what you're in the water. That's yeah, that's intense, man. Well, ⁓ I definitely want to see those, ⁓ and the coverage last year was awesome too. Like I was following a little, you know, sperm things on online like, and, ⁓ just trying to keep up and see who was doing well. So, ⁓ yeah, this year is going to be sick, man.
Jarrod Snow (40:49)
Yeah, yeah.
For sure. Yeah.
Totally.
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (41:14)
can't wait to see what you're going to do there.
Jarrod Snow (41:16)
Yeah, I'm keen, super keen.
Daniel Paronetto (42:44)
Let's talk about boards, man, because you've been cooking up some stuff in your workshop and you, you race with boards that you design. How, how did you get into that? Because that's not an easy thing to do, man.
Jarrod Snow (42:47)
Yeah.
For sure, yeah.
No, not at all. So I was pretty lucky. Like my dad showed me how to shape boards when I was like 15, 16. So I've always kind of shaped my own surfboards and my own kite boards. And then a natural progression was like wing boards. And then I saw downwind coming along. And at that time, you know, everyone was riding like 25 to 30 inches wide by like five foot saps. And I was just like, ⁓ that just looks horrible. Like surely there's a better way to do this. So we just
you know, design boards and my first one wasn't right. like, you know, it's natural progression from there. You just build a board and you just kind of go, okay, what's wrong with it? Let's make a new one. Let's make a new one. But the major appeal to making my own designs and shape was like definitely the price, like three and a half grand for a down winding board. was like, no way, let me make my own.
Daniel Paronetto (43:50)
Yeah,
I like that. ⁓ But your boards are, man, like the quality is just unreal. And now you just designed a prototype of a parrowing board.
Jarrod Snow (43:54)
For sure.
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely interested in the powering world because like as everyone knows, know, like powering is quite tricky to get up on foil. So to make that easier, as easy as possible, I just wanted to design something that was super functional. So easy to stand on, even if it's a little low leaders, easy to kind of get planning and easy to get up on the foil, but not compromising when it's on foil. So yeah, I spent a lot of time.
Daniel Paronetto (44:21)
Mmm.
Well, have, I
have a little, ⁓ what I have a little video that, cause I, I tried your board when you were in Japan. and man, I loved it. And I'm, I'm just going to share this. How do I get into this? Give me a sec.
Jarrod Snow (44:37)
Sick.
Hell yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (44:48)
There we are.
Let me know if you can see that. Yeah. So that's, that's, those are your boards, man. They're, they're, they're awesome. I'm just going to play this. ⁓ and it'll cycle through a few images, but tell us like what you were thinking about when you were designing this board and, like, what are some of the features that you incorporated into them?
Jarrod Snow (44:53)
Yeah, that looks sick.
Yeah.
Totally. So yeah, as I was saying before, like stability and the ability to get on foil early is a major, major design characteristic of this board. So, you know, there's a lot of volume up the front of the board. It's quite a flat bottom, but it's not sticky. So being able to stand on there on the board while it's a little bit light and wait for wind is super critical and important. And I don't want it to nose dive. So there's a bit of rocker in this board too, more than normal.
Um, and I think that's super critical too. So just having some aspects of the board that really favor the, you know, planing and getting up on releasing off the water is really important. And, uh, I think this, this board is kind of achieving that as well as width too. like, you know, down-winding everyone's going, okay, let's go as narrow as we can, like 16 or less.
Daniel Paronetto (45:59)
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (46:05)
But for downwind foiling that works great, but for power winging it doesn't work at all. So I think we've gone back, like it says there, 19 inches wide. I think it's really, really helping, you know, stability. It's really helping that release and it's really helping the planing area of the board. So yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (46:13)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I, um, I used it in, what was the condition? I had the eight 10 X with the 85 mast. Um, I think, I think it was either the one 20 or the one, I didn't have the one 10. So it was a one 10, 20 tail and a small fuse. Um, and it was firing, man. It was me and your brother, Adam, we were out there. Um, and it was like easily 30, 35 knots. Um, and it was like four or five foot swell. It was good.
Jarrod Snow (46:48)
I sick.
Daniel Paronetto (46:52)
He would have loved that. Yeah, it was pumping. But with the power pack and this board, I was able to get out of like really short period, you know, swell
Jarrod Snow (46:53)
yeah, shit.
yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (47:02)
And I was like in a little bit of a
funny spot there, but I was able to get out of there pretty quick with this board. So I was really impressed with the pop-up out of the water. Yeah. And I think what you did was cool because it kind of like, it builds speed fast. There's something about the volume distribution of the, these boards. I'm just going to stop sharing for a while. ⁓ That is super important because as you know, the pair of wing is kind of like, it's giving you lift, but it's not a wing.
Jarrod Snow (47:11)
Epic.
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (47:32)
So you're kind of like hovering like this in the water. So nose volume is important volume distribution. But when you get that power from the pair wing, you want the board to accelerate quick. it can't have like, you want it to go from maybe a little bit tail draggy to like go and just with one or two pumps. It makes it so easy if you time things right with the power and that's what I felt like it was really effortless.
Jarrod Snow (47:33)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (48:01)
Compared to what I was writing, yeah.
Jarrod Snow (48:02)
⁓
that's good to hear. Yeah that's that was the whole design brief I guess is just to make it a lot easier to do that because you know like without Victorian weather we get really punchy you know gusty wind and you have to make the most of those gusts because you don't really get many and that if you're in the holes you're never gonna get out and if it takes too long to like what you said to get planing and going you're never gonna get out.
Daniel Paronetto (48:15)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
No. And and the other thing, like, you know, I think what, what I really want to do more and more is ride, we ride waves. So if you're in a break and you need to set up and you waiting and you know, if a wave is coming, there's a little bit of a wind shadow from that wave already. So it's like, there's all this stuff that gets into it. So I'm curious to see like what other sizes you're probably thinking about to compliment the 65 liters. 65 liters is like perfect for.
Jarrod Snow (48:34)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (48:54)
the nuking days. love that volume. ⁓ But what are you thinking about for like maybe the one board quiver or like, what are your thoughts on that?
Jarrod Snow (48:56)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally. So I reckon like a one board quiver, if you are ready or a downwind foiler is probably the 65, I think, because you can go, okay, I'll take the 65 when it's good wind and like it's not crazy wind and it's not light wind. And then if it's bad wind or a light wind, I'll take my sub and then you can get out there and enjoy it. But if you're someone who's just into power winging and you're just going to do that, I feel like almost like a two board quiver is really good because you can get something that's a little bit smaller.
Daniel Paronetto (49:15)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Jarrod Snow (49:32)
and maybe push into like, especially for a downwind power wing or two, like going those small boards and, you know, running a small foil at the same time in really nuking wind is epic. It's yeah, unbeatable, but then like, you know, you're really going to struggle on those upwind, downwind days. So I think something a bit bigger, like the 75, 85 litre range is actually really fun because you can get out there. It's a full floater for whatever, like my weight's 88.
Daniel Paronetto (49:43)
Unbeatable.
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (49:59)
So going like an 85 would be a full floater and then you can just get the power wing and can get going significantly easier than a 65. So I think a two board quiver for that is also a really great idea. And that's probably where I'm going to end up. I'm going to have like two for winging as well, like a smaller 50, maybe even like a 45 or something. And then I'll have like the prone and then have like the bigger, yeah, 80 liter, I reckon. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (50:19)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
That's cool. Yeah. I just,
⁓ I just had my, my boards kind of like finalized and I ended up pretty similar in my spec. So the, the, the 65 liters pretty much the same says five eight by 19. ⁓ and the 65 liter I think was good because I'm not only doing downwinders with it. do a lot of laps here in the Bay. So I do want to get up like maybe 20 times in a session.
Jarrod Snow (50:33)
Sick.
nice.
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (50:52)
And then I think having a little bit extra volume would be good, but if I was just down-winding, like you said, maybe a 55 liter would be like, you know, what I would choose. I think that that would be cool. There might still be a place for it in the quiver, but you know, we just need to work a little more to make more money and buy more boards. Um, and, and then I ended up with a six to by 19 as well. Um, and 80 liters. So I'm 85 liters. Yeah. I just went a little bit.
Jarrod Snow (51:01)
Yeah.
Hahaha
that sounds good. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (51:22)
lower on the volume there because I wanted a little bit more performance and keep it really thin, but it's still floating you enough to hopefully like they're about to arrive in a couple of days. So I'm like, I want to try them in 15 knots and see if I can get up on a five. You know, I think, I think it's possible. Yeah.
Jarrod Snow (51:25)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dick.
Yeah.
sick. Totally.
that's a good point. like the reason why I built a couple of these prototypes, the one that you tried at 65. And the reason why I chose 65 is because I feel like at my weight, that's the smallest board I can use with a power wing that I want to go outwind with, if that makes sense. like if it's, yeah, like if I go any smaller than that, I have to use a bigger power wing and then I don't want to go outwind.
Daniel Paronetto (51:57)
Mmm, yeah, absolutely.
Jarrod Snow (52:06)
So the 65 I feel like is that perfect range where it's like I can happily do that and go outwind on the same power wing. Like it's not a problem. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (52:13)
Yeah. And it's cool
that you mentioned that because people forget that, you know, if you're overpowered on the power wing, like going up wind becomes really, really like you have to be good. You have to be experienced to be able to do that. Otherwise you're just going to, you know, scream down wind. ⁓ and then it also limits, I think what foil you can go. Cause I want to match my foil to the conditions. Right. So I just want the board to be like helping me and not hindering me. I'm not like, I'm not, ⁓
Jarrod Snow (52:23)
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (52:41)
getting my efficiency from the board. want to get my efficiency from the foils. So I think 65 and I see guys go out on 40 liter boards and it's, totally doable and it's, fine. But you know, you just have to be kind of, you just have to know that you might eat it for like 20 minutes. You know, like it might, might not work out for 20 minutes. And then I'm like, well, do I want to lose that time or do I want to be getting up easier? And yeah, you do feel a lot.
Jarrod Snow (52:45)
Totally.
Yeah, yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (53:11)
a difference between those two volume boards, but I think a 65 is still so rippable. Like I don't feel like I'm like coming from my eight to 115 liters that I used to paddle. I used to paddle back in the day. don't know if you remember. Um, and to, something like an 80 liter was amazing. And then now the 65 is just incredible.
Jarrod Snow (53:13)
yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I remember.
Sick, yeah. No, I reckon that's 100 % true. Like I've done so many para swims recently on the prone board. On the prone board and man, it's a mission.
Daniel Paronetto (53:42)
Paris swims.
The Paris was there was when I was in hood the the Nash crew was calling ⁓ power wing just the parish wing. I love that it's so true everybody parishes out there at some point. ⁓ I've got another clip I want to show you because this was I think this was the first time I met you and it was while I was doing a downwind run
Jarrod Snow (53:54)
Parachute ring, yeah, yeah.
yeah, absolutely.
Daniel Paronetto (54:13)
all of a sudden I hear like eeee and like who is out here and then I see you on the wing and ⁓ yeah this is basically what happens I'll play the clip
Jarrod Snow (54:19)
You
Hahaha
Daniel Paronetto (54:40)
Do you remember this?
Jarrod Snow (54:43)
Yeah, yeah, I remember this.
This is so funny. That was a fun day.
Daniel Paronetto (54:48)
It was a good day.
I had just downsized my front ⁓ foils.
Jarrod Snow (54:59)
⁓ sick.
Daniel Paronetto (55:02)
I think I was on a 1180. It ⁓ was one of the first times I was doing an ocean run on it.
Jarrod Snow (55:10)
that's sick. Yeah I can't even remember, yeah I can't remember if I hadn't even started downwind foiling yet like on a paddle. I think I was still doing it on a wing. I think so. I can't remember exactly but I was pretty late to the downwind sup game to be honest.
Daniel Paronetto (55:11)
So this is how we met.
Really?
Well, man.
Jarrod Snow (55:28)
We were doing like,
I was like learning, you know, like how to do it. was like, I got to get into these bumps. I think I was making my sup at that time. And I was like, I can't wait. I just got to go do it. And I was just doing it on the wing.
Daniel Paronetto (55:39)
And how did you like, okay, you started on the wing and then, mean, once you start on the wing and you know how to read the bumps, like what was that break? Do you still remember like the breakthrough moment of like understanding the patterns in the water? Because I think a lot of people that will pair wing, they will go through that same kind of learning experience. And it's so hard to crack the code. You know what I mean?
Jarrod Snow (55:53)
Yeah.
Oh yeah, for sure. It is super hard to crack the code. I can't remember specifically going like, oh, I got it. I think I had a little bit of an easier time at it because I learned in Cairns in a really consistent wind, really good kind of Bay style bumps, quite easy to read. So I was doing a lot of downwind runs on the wing there and then I came home and I could already read the bumps pretty well. So then we were doing them on the wing a few times just to figure out the ocean and then transition to the SUP. And it was like a pretty good
Daniel Paronetto (56:17)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Snow (56:32)
learning curve I think I was pretty lucky that I had that experience in like tropical weather where you didn't really mind falling in and good consistent wind and all that sort of stuff you know.
Daniel Paronetto (56:36)
Yeah.
Yeah, I, and people ask me like how, when, when did you learn? And like, I don't know, because I don't know if it's a thing that like, you know, when you go out and you learn a trick, like, okay, I know how to do the trick now, but it's not like that. It's something that slowly you begin to understand and feel and recognize. Like you, now you look at the, I look at the, you look at the ocean differently and I'm sure you have like a totally different view of the ocean than I do because like.
Jarrod Snow (56:49)
Yeah.
Yeah.
totally.
Daniel Paronetto (57:11)
where you are now, like your level just went skyrocket. So it's just time of the water, isn't it? Like, I don't know what to tell people.
Jarrod Snow (57:17)
Oh yeah,
it's definitely a time in the water and it never stops. That's the best thing about this sport. Like I still go out there and just go, wow, that's a new way to do it. Like you can just take a different line. You can make the foil go slower. You can make it go faster. Like the other day, like I was trying to see how slow the 1130 went and like I was getting three minute 30 kilometers on the 1130, just like tripping out. I was like, I didn't know that flow could go that slow, you know, like just trusting it. It's just crazy.
Daniel Paronetto (57:28)
Mm.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. The big foils for me, I remember because when I started as well coming from winging, I was used to small foils and it took me such a long time to trust the lift at low speed of a big foil. And I see you now on the 1540 in nothing. Sometimes there's no wind. It's just a swell run. like, what are you doing?
Jarrod Snow (57:53)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Totally. That's why I love it. Like we all just love chasing these like weird experiences in the ocean that just a new way of doing the same thing I think is so refreshing. Like a new run, a new end point, you know, it's so fun.
Daniel Paronetto (58:12)
It's cool, man.
Mmm. And I-
It is fun, man. It is fun. And you guys have a sick crew. ⁓ like everyone is ripping, man. ⁓ it's so cool when I go down there and I like ride with you guys, it's just like, wow, the level is super high. and, and like, love, I like what, like, I want to talk a little bit about your partnership with your brother, Adam, who rips as well. ⁓ and you guys form like the perfect team because.
Jarrod Snow (58:30)
Yeah.
Yeah.
yeah.
yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (58:54)
You guys do the same sports. You're very good at what you do. He is an awesome cinematographer. So he's out filming you. it's, it's, you guys have something really special going on, man. Like tell us a little bit about that. ⁓ you know, that experience with your, with your brother.
Jarrod Snow (59:02)
yeah.
Yeah.
Totally, yeah, like super lucky that Adam originally got in as a photographer, like he loved it, was doing a lot of surf photography, doing a lot of swimming, and then that foiling bug bit, and we all just were like, let's just do this, how can we do this more often? And we just figured out that if we get really good content and Adam does a really good job at producing the content as well, that we can have a really attractive niche for a brand, really.
Daniel Paronetto (59:35)
Mmm.
Jarrod Snow (59:40)
someone who can ride and both of us can ride really well and we can both get really good clips as well. So I think it's unique, but I think it's also really important this day and age because like the team riders kind of shifted just from being good. It shifted to being good and being able to take a photo of it.
Daniel Paronetto (59:51)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it
is. But, like just sharing the knowledge of what you guys are doing out there as well. Like all that stuff is, what people are after, I guess. And do you, do you feel that you learn from watching yourself? Cause I love watching myself like, God, that looks terrible. Like, and you just, you know how it feels. Like you just want it to look a certain way.
Jarrod Snow (1:00:03)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally, yeah. I learned heaps from watching myself, like, just seeing how it goes, but like, I actually really enjoy that whole process of just filming and like, kinda like, making like a little bit of an edit, like trying to have an objective out there and just go like, let's kinda make this and try and make it look cool and filming each other. And I think we both get a bit of enjoyment out of actually producing stuff. So I think for us, it works really good. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:00:30)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
And it's, you guys
are out like you and for me as well, like sometimes I'm filming someone on the drone, like you're in their session, you know, you're kind of in their little world and you know what they're going to do and you just want to anticipate it. And I don't know, it's just like, it's a different kind of flow, even though you're out, even in the water, you just kind of getting some, something out of it as well.
Jarrod Snow (1:00:51)
Yeah.
Totally, and you're like trying to nail the angles or you're trying to nail that clip and then if you get it, you get in, you're like, I got that sick angle and clip and they're like, yeah, I was fucking ripping.
Daniel Paronetto (1:01:10)
It's so good
man the froth level when when I go down there is super cool man, so ⁓ Keep keep doing what you guys are doing because honestly man, like it's it's super nice to see you in like in like I just maybe you're gonna you know, take the big one this year like who knows and it's It's hope and and I think you're putting in the work ⁓
Jarrod Snow (1:01:16)
yeah.
Yeah.
Let's hope. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:01:38)
And everybody, I think in your area is just like super supportive and they're always down for one. So yeah, I think what you do for the people around you says a lot about you guys as well, both you and Adam, like you always have time on the beach to come and talk to people. You always have time to answer questions. know, does it have a motor? You're like, no, it doesn't have a motor, but you get a lot of that because people, you know, there's a tourism vibe that comes around and people are super keen just to see what you guys are doing. So.
Jarrod Snow (1:01:46)
Yeah.
Hahaha
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:08)
It's awesome to see that vibe, man. I totally respect what you guys are doing. It's awesome.
Jarrod Snow (1:02:09)
Yeah.
Cheers, good to hear that for sure. We definitely try and make it accessible for everyone down here as well and a lot of people who learning the downwind foiling, I always have time for them and make sure that they're on good equipment or something and trying to give them a couple tips when we go past. So it's always good.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:31)
Good stuff man. Is there anything else you want to share with us? ⁓ Anything that you want to let the Parawing audience know?
Jarrod Snow (1:02:41)
Not really, I've got a couple of cool power wing shapes coming out soon, but they're not ready just yet. Still cooking them up. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:49)
Nice sick. want to
hear. want to I want to try them actually when you get them ready. All right. Well dude look pleasure to talk to you. I hope I'll get down there sometime next week or so. So if you're around let's catch up. Last time I was there you were in Japan ⁓ but I was able to sneak in on session with your board which was cool. So yeah thanks for coming on again Jared. I it's it's awesome to see you ⁓ performing and let's let's see what happens towards the middle of the year man.
Jarrod Snow (1:02:52)
yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
Yeah, epic. Thanks for having me on too. Appreciate it.
Daniel Paronetto (1:03:20)
No worries, man. We'll keep in touch.
Jarrod Snow (1:03:23)
Sounds good.
Daniel Paronetto (1:03:24)
See you, bro.
