Guy (01:39)
just grows up.
Daniel Paronetto (01:39)
Cool, are
you back in the UK now?
Guy (01:42)
Yeah, we're back in, yeah, back home in the UK. We're just down here in the Southwest. We've had some brutal weather, It's been like, it's been like 40 knots and raining ever since we came back from WA. It's been mental to come back to. Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (01:47)
Yeah.
damn.
Do you get out in those conditions? mean, it's a bit
crazy, but you still get out.
Guy (02:03)
Yeah, yeah, literally. you've got to keep getting out in the water or else you'll just like lose it, reckon. Like, there's no one like, not when people go out, but I'm just like, you've got to do something in the day and I'm not going running. So I'm going on the water, whatever. And like...
Daniel Paronetto (02:10)
Hahaha
You've got to do something, Nah. Yeah. Chuck, chuck
the hoodie on and go fuck it.
Guy (02:26)
Yeah, Chuck the Hood on. I've had some sick parrowing sessions to be fair since I've come back. We're in like this like wind against tar. We're just like in a tidal like, like we're in a river mouth basically. the tar, we get loads of wind v tide setups and it's just like, you can just go out and laugh and it's just like, and there's no seaweed this time of year. So it's just like, sick. You know, like the whole summer you like work up to the summer and then the seaweed comes and you're like, fuck. Can't really foil but.
Daniel Paronetto (02:44)
β my, yeah. Yeah.
β Is it bad? Does it get bad?
Guy (02:57)
Yeah, it gets pretty bad, especially like when the tide goes out. So like a good tide for like good bumps. It goes weedy, which is a bit annoying, but whatever. But yeah, so it's been brutal. But yeah, it's fun to get back into it and you got to keep getting on the water. And it's just like, we literally came back and the water, because we like, missed some of red cliffs here. So the water cut gets fully churned up from that. And like the first day I got back, was like,
Daniel Paronetto (03:03)
Mmm.
Yeah.
Guy (03:26)
You can't like see the foil. It's super weird. You go from like crystal clear WA to like, like bury my board like a couple of cm under the water and all of a sudden it's gone. And I'm just like, fuck this is like, and then I forgot like, yeah. And then like, it's just drag man. You like go from clean water to that. And it's just like, shit.
Daniel Paronetto (03:32)
Yeah, it's beautiful there.
Murky F-
Yeah, check a higher aspect on it.
Guy (03:52)
Go out over foil. How's things been with you anyway?
Daniel Paronetto (03:54)
Um, yeah, all right. I'm going to start this thing before.
I'm going to start this thing before we start getting chatty because we had pause guys. So we started talking like for 15 minutes and then we started recording because I want to get all this beautiful stuff that we're talking about. All the good shit. Let's go. All right.
Guy (04:01)
Yeah, that's right.
with a good chair.
Let's hit it hard.
Daniel Paronetto (04:15)
I said it, send it big, send it to the moon, my friend. All right. Welcome to the lab rat for the podcast. My name is Dan and today we have Guy bridge. Welcome to the podcast man.
Guy (04:20)
Good shot.
Thanks a lot Dan, stoked to be here. Yeah, love the work you're doing and yeah, frothing to be on.
Daniel Paronetto (04:34)
dude.
Thanks brother. brother. I, β I've been frothing on every clip that you've been posting, especially everything that you did in WA, like all the parts. watched all the parts on YouTube. They're sick. we're going to get into that. We're to get into that trip. Cause man, honestly, I think that was the best wave riding part on appareling so far that I've seen it's, it was proper, like big wave.
Guy (04:51)
Ha!
Daniel Paronetto (05:07)
Proper stow proper redeploys like you rip the wave. So we're going to get into that. But before we do, dude, it's, it's a proper claim. I, I, when I saw that I was like giddy. I felt giddy. I was like, I need to get in the water. I like that feeling is, is, you know, you have something good when you have a clip like that, man. So congrats for that. But, before, before we, β before we get into, β
Guy (05:14)
It's a heavy claim.
Fuck, I don't know about that, Dan.
Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. What a sport,
Daniel Paronetto (05:37)
that trip and parowinging and all that stuff. I really like to touch on your background, understand a little bit about like the sports you've done in the past, be it in the water, out of the water, whatever, because it kind of informs me on how you're riding the parowing and what you're bringing into the sport. So let's talk about how things started with you, man. Like how did you get into sports and water sports in general? And how did you get to where you are now?
Guy (06:07)
So basically, yeah, well, basically, starting from the beginning, my parents basically just got, I've got two other brothers and we, and my parents went into kite surfing for a pretty early, like, you know, mid 2000s. So β the start of that, and they kind of introduced us to that at really early age. like my little brother, he was like seven when he learned, I was like eight, and then my older brother was like nine. So we were like hooked on that.
from the outset and like being free of us, like pushed each other to get better as you do. And then going forward from that, we all kind of did the whole kiting thing for a long time. My older brother started racing at that point before it was even foiling. So the foil thing hadn't really come around then. So they were racing and my mom was racing as well for a long time. And then...
The foiling thing came around and I was like, Oh, that looks sick. At that time it was like maybe 2012 or 2013. And I was like, fuck, got to do that. Um, I was like, well, that like, you know, just like when you went to VC foiling, like for the first time, I don't know, like this is probably for the sake of yourself. You're like, shit, what's going on here?
Daniel Paronetto (07:22)
Yeah, I
shat on it big time too. Yeah. For a while, for years, I was, I was wearing boots, doing wake style on the kite and I'm like, are these guys doing? Just zipping around, mowing the lawn. And I thought it was the, because people were racing here and I thought it was the worst thing ever. I'm like, I'll do it when I break my knees or whatever, you know, like that's going to be the end of my, my sporting career in the water and nah, changed.
Guy (07:25)
Really? For how long? How long do you show that?
So what pushed you over the edge to go foiling man?
Daniel Paronetto (07:54)
Ewan, Ewan Jaspen. Yeah. He, β so his family lives here and he came back every summer from whatever the hell he was doing over the years with, with Nash. And one year he brought a foil back home and he's like, man, it's sick. And I'm like, nap. And then it was a full year after that, he came back the next year and then he taught me how to kite foil. Yeah.
Guy (07:55)
you have? Okay.
Okay, so
yeah, what year was that then?
Daniel Paronetto (08:22)
And to be honest, I think it's, I've been kiting and foiling now, foiling for maybe five, six years. So maybe, yeah, pretty like maybe 2019 ish kind of thing.
Guy (08:32)
yeah, pretty good then.
So you went kite foiling then weeing, I guess.
Daniel Paronetto (08:44)
I kite foiling, then winging, cause I just wanted to ride waves and then the, and then at the same time, winging and prone kind of, and prone never got really good at it. Like, because then sup down wending came along and I'm like, shit, that's what I want to do, especially here in the Bay. So I ditched the wing, β started doing sup down wending, did that for like two years and, and then the pair went and came around and I'm like, I see you later. Goodbye.
Guy (08:52)
Yeah.
Yeah. What did you, what did you, how can we change from that stuff down when they completely to, to β powering England? What do you put that? What do you put that change down to?
Daniel Paronetto (09:22)
Just...
I think my location, like the winds that we get here, when it's windy, it's like over 15 knots, over 15 knots. I can get out on a pair of wing and I can ride bumps. I can do a downwind or I could do laps. could do whatever. Um, and I come from a kiting background. So when I saw the pair of wing, I like you, I think you, you got it and you know what to do with it immediately. You know how to fly it. You know how to like what you want to do. want to.
You know how you even want it to look like when you're, you know, when you're riding and all that stuff. So it felt like kite foiling and then you start doing stuff that you do on a kite foil. You do your tax, you do your transitions and you start playing without that stuff. And, and then, yeah, just got hooked, man. Completely hooked.
Guy (10:05)
Yeah. Yeah.
For the, for like the quick sessions is so game changer, huh? Just being able to like go out and just like, you know, like you always had that like little period of downwind where you just like, you were just frothing to downwind, but then just being able to do it about the hassle of logistics sometimes is sick. I mean, sometimes it's so worth it, especially when you've got a sick crew to do like a good, a good run. Like, cause then you got the all the glory, like some like.
Daniel Paronetto (10:11)
best.
Yeah. Yeah.
I still love doing them.
Guy (10:35)
I feel like half the fun of the downwind comes with the social aspect of hanging out with everyone, catching up or whatever. So I feel like that's, Well, I'm having all glory time as well. You kind of go to, you can't really put that, you can't really doubt on that, I don't reckon. Having all downhill rides.
Daniel Paronetto (10:41)
Yeah.
shuttles.
Yeah. β
it's, agree. And, and look, to be honest, β I've been doing a lot of laps lately, just riding in the same spot, but every time I do a long downwinder, like 20 Ks or over, you get into a different state and it's just mental. And with the pair wing, kind of do that. Those downwinders a lot closer to each other than what I used to do with the sup with the sup, you get up and see it. and.
Guy (11:21)
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (11:23)
And I think, mean, you guys, you know, you guys are on different levels, so you can all pop up at the same time on demand, but you know, with the crew and stuff, some people get up, some people don't, and then you get a little scattered, you know? So that's been cool too.
Guy (11:33)
Yeah for sure.
Yeah,
yeah, that's yeah for sure and being able to just like ride outwind to someone like if they're having problems or something it's a pretty cool aspect of it you kind of forget like the safety aspect of being able to help people as well.
Daniel Paronetto (11:43)
Mm-hmm.
I love it. You finish.
Yeah. you, whoever finishes the run pops the pair up wing up and goes back to whoever's just behind. They both finish and then, you know, you can come keep going back up wind and, I don't know. think, here in the Bay, have little pockets of high performing pockets where like there's a little sandbar or whatever. And, and then you go through it and you're like, that was great. You know, and then you just keep grinding the rest of the run and with, β yeah.
Guy (12:18)
High performing pockets, that's a new one.
That's fucking good. It's like hitting the hatchery. Would you claim that as a very high performance pocket? That's gotta be.
Daniel Paronetto (12:21)
β yeah. I love it. I love it. Yeah. There's, there's.
That's not a bad performing pocket. Jesus Christ, man. I froth on that place. I need to go back this year. You going?
Guy (12:36)
fucking,
I don't know, maybe it's pretty insane, I didn't score Rufus. I didn't score sick Rufus, so that's what has me really wanting to go back to school. The day we left, it went mental there. We were on the flight and you just see the Instagram stories of people. It's like these troughs. When you see those videos of the people in those troughs, like...
Daniel Paronetto (12:39)
You should. think in July you will be there.
β
Unreal.
Guy (13:03)
Like I remember seeing like Jack's video from like, like, last year and I was like, that looks like the craziest thing you've ever seen. then did you score it good though?
Daniel Paronetto (13:06)
Yeah.
It's, it's insane that place, man. And they're, they're like,
I got like two or three good Rufus days. Yeah. I was there for like two weeks in a little bit. And yeah, we got Rufus at like 35 plus and man, there's a section near the wall there that, my God, it's like, it's the, it's huge. It's glassy and it's so slow.
And you just need to rip. You just need to rip. It's unreal.
Guy (13:42)
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's too perfect really, isn't it?
Daniel Paronetto (13:50)
It's
too perfect, man. Um, yeah, I was, I remember being there. was just like, is anybody seeing these bumps? Like, look what's happening here right now. It's yeah. It's a skateboard. It's like you're in a skateboard with multiple skateboards around you. It's insane.
Guy (13:52)
But yeah, it's fucking...
Yeah, it's fucking obscene.
Yeah,
it's pretty, yeah, it was pretty crazy. We were there for the AWSI and literally like, didn't score the roofers, but the hatchery was going off and like, I've never seen, it like, it's so much on like going on. You've got like wingers jumping like 15 meters. You've got sucked down windows. You've got kites doing like massive kite loops. You've got windsurfers like trying to take you out. You're just like powering you through the middle, like feeling like you should like have like.
Daniel Paronetto (14:08)
Mm.
yeah.
Yeah.
Guy (14:33)
all the space in the world like you normally do, you're like, you really can't do terms. But yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (14:35)
It gets crazy. It's, it's
yeah, it's a cool energy there though. I thought the crew, like just the local crew as well. They were all super keen. Like everyone is, cause I think they see a lot of new things, you know, people coming in with all the sorts of gear and new stuff there. you know, last year was really everybody talking about parowinging and everybody.
Guy (14:48)
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (14:59)
learning it and getting onto it and getting their first runs and their first transitions and all of a sudden everybody's doing it and it was a good vibe. It was a really good vibe, man. You should go if you have the chance. I'm sure you will,
Guy (15:09)
Yeah, yeah, I mean
the vibes insane, isn't it? Like just like the froth when you like is there like the car park chat it's like off its head like you'll you'll like come out like six o'clock and you won't leave till it's dark.
Daniel Paronetto (15:13)
Mmm. Ugh.
I know.
I know everybody's
on the beers and just like, it's the best, man. It's the best. But tell me about this WA trip, man, because that looked pretty sick. Like you've been dropping a couple of clips on, on YouTube. you know, I think there's what five, six parts now. I can't even remember. β but that looked pretty, how long, β how long were you guys there for?
Guy (15:30)
Yeah, it's pretty soon.
Yeah.
So we must have been there in the end, like two and a half months. β And yeah, it was pretty insane. Yeah. Yeah. It was a really solid amount of period. We left like the UK at the, at the beginning of November. β And we, we had actually been there the last year, but without the power wing. I was like really excited to like have that extra kind of like aspect of doing like a different sport in like.
Daniel Paronetto (15:54)
Wow.
Mmm.
Guy (16:18)
I was just imagining the spots that I rode the years before or like the downwinders and stuff like I'd done with the years before, which were kind of complicated on the SUP, but I was just like, wow, they're going to be insane with the powering. like in like, you know, like solid breeze. Yeah, I was just like frothing.
Daniel Paronetto (16:30)
lesson.
What made them,
what made them a little tricky on the sup that made it totally fine on the power wing.
Guy (16:43)
β So basically this the main spot well, we've kind of we spent a lot of time in X mouth right in the northwest So we with this awesome crew out there and we spent a load of time with those guys Yeah, shark even not like dangerous sharks not like not like marks, you know, not like marks were like Andy got like it's bored bitten in half You see that you obviously saw that
Daniel Paronetto (17:09)
Yeah. That's crazy.
I saw that. Yeah.
Guy (17:12)
but it was, yeah, like there is a lot of sharks up there, but like, feel like, well, I don't think anyone's ever got a taxi. But yeah, you, you see sharks up there. Like we, we got, we come out of like, like UK winter and you like, we basically got on that. got to Perth. We spent like a day sorting stuff out, whatever drove like, you know, 16 hours up to X now. And then like, you're out there and you're like seeing sharks and you're like, wow, this is.
Daniel Paronetto (17:35)
Mm-hmm.
Guy (17:40)
Crazy, what the hell are we?
Daniel Paronetto (17:43)
And it's
pretty remote too. Like, I don't know if people know exactly where our X mouth is, but it's like pretty, it's I think the most Western point in Australia. And there's like a military base and it's pretty remote. Like there's.
Guy (17:54)
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, there's some
sketchy like American satellites and stuff there. It really feels like you're like on the edge of the earth and like there's like dodgy stuff going on. You're like, yeah. Um, but yeah, what I was going to say is the main, great thing about that is you've got this reef there called the Ningaloo reef, which basically is really close to X-Miles on the west side there. Um, and that like, you basically drive around there and that reef's probably like two or three K off, sure.
Daniel Paronetto (18:02)
You
You're on Mars or something.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (18:28)
So
it's basically a lagoon on the inside, but to get to the bumps that are on the outside, last year we had to, you know, paddle out or whatever. But this year just like whipping the powering up and just blasting on a reach for like two Ks and then like surfing the most insane like dark blue bumps. Like it's fucking next level. Like it was so good. It was so easy and the wind's so consistent and strong up there. It's just like, wow, it's like, it's crazy.
Daniel Paronetto (18:42)
Ugh.
Mmm.
Guy (18:58)
β and just like, it's really hard there as well. So like having, so having that power to like do the easy work for you where it would be hard work. It's pretty, it's pretty nice. Like, you know, like if you're paddling for like half an hour, you get pretty hot and tired and then do a down window and like you're coming in through reef passes with no, like you haven't got any mobile signal or anything like that there. β so basically like.
Daniel Paronetto (18:58)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
yeah.
Hmm.
Guy (19:28)
You're just like, you have to basically get to wherever you intend to, you've dropped the car or whatever, especially if it's like a couple of you, you basically need to get to where you dropped the car. So just like being able to store energy for longer to do those rounds makes it so much more chilled and efficient.
Daniel Paronetto (19:46)
How long were
the downwind runs that you were doing?
Guy (19:49)
Well, we didn't do anything mega long, like probably like 40k was the longest. And that feels pretty long, especially like on surf foils. It's quite a good period.
Daniel Paronetto (19:53)
Yeah, that's decent for the car. Yeah.
Yeah, I think there's a sweet spot for me around like 10 to 20 K where you're ripping and you're ripping for most of it. Like you're trying to get some turns and stuff. If it's 40, like you just, you have those moments where you're, you know, saving a little bit of energy and you're not doing much. You kind of just straight lining it. And, it's a different vibe. We were talking to just before the podcast started, like it's so different that mental state that you get in.
Guy (20:21)
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (20:31)
When you are on a downwind run compared to laps and which would, which would the.
Guy (20:35)
Yeah, for sure.
I like a bit of a mixture. would say, β I love the, I love going with the people with the people kind of make the runs in a sense. I would say the social element of going like in the shuttle. So awesome. and like, especially when people are at different levels, cause like you really get to like, you forget how nervous people get at like the start of rounds and stuff like that. So just like, kind of like engaging in that. also pretty funny. And like, β
Daniel Paronetto (20:46)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah
Guy (21:07)
Yeah, so I find that, yeah, the banter and stuff and then like, there's always, you know, foil chat, everyone's always like trying to overhype on what foil you gotta ride and stuff like that. So, yeah, and, and like, there's always like weather things, you know, like the classic weather things that you get in like, say probably same with you or the different fronts and stuff. So like, you're always on the edge of your seat and like, β is it gonna like shut down or whatever?
Daniel Paronetto (21:07)
There's a lot of banter, for sure. The banter's good.
Game changer.
yeah.
Yeah.
Guy (21:37)
β Whereas I feel like the...
Daniel Paronetto (21:38)
Do you have like the weatherman in your crew? There's always one guy that's always into weather forecasting a little bit too much and they know all the models and yeah.
Guy (21:47)
We definitely have a few. We have
like this local, he was Eastern Olympian sailor, Ben Rhodes, and he's big into the weather. He's on the swell boys. knows, he's like, he sends me like on the group chat or whatnot, he sends me like this graph of like all these different weather models, like no one, like all these numbers and you're like, just give me one. And I was just like.
Daniel Paronetto (21:55)
There you go.
Yeah.
What is this?
Is it good or not mate? Are
we going?
Guy (22:17)
Yeah,
but you have the same juice you ever do
Daniel Paronetto (22:22)
Oh, we have a dude. We have a dude. There's actually a couple of dudes in different groups and they're looking at the models. They're like, all right, from 432 to 547 is when we're going to be out and it's going to be awesome.
It's all good.
Guy (22:38)
still good stuff.
yeah, back to your point, back to your question. I think it's nice to do a mixture. I feel like you don't just do like one or the other. Like, feel like sometimes like there's obviously great days to do downwinders with like car jobs and stuff. sometimes it's just like, you've got like really good bumps. You've got like, well, we are here. If the bumps go down the coast, I'm normally calling to do like a shuttle.
Daniel Paronetto (22:45)
yet.
Hmm.
Guy (23:08)
where the car drops are not too bad. But if the wind's more onshore and like the car shuttle, like you might do a car shuttle that like you drop a car like an hour away and like, so it turns into three hours of driving for like a 20K run, which you say you're probably gonna spend an hour on the water for three hours driving, really would have made rich, which like you come now, like we did it when we were stuffing, but now like I wouldn't do that.
Daniel Paronetto (23:25)
Yeah.
Guy (23:37)
like would just go parrying, just go do laps. Like what's the point, know, like it's just like obvious. And it's great fun to do the laps as well. You really improve like your whole handling. feel like with the parrying, like it's not a new sport. like you can, you like you're going out wind well, you're driving, you're, you know, you're stowing away. You can improve so like your tech, your general techniques are also getting refined loads, especially like if it's like sketchy wind or something. feel like.
Daniel Paronetto (23:41)
You got options. Yeah.
Mmm.
100%.
Guy (24:07)
you really start zoning into like, like getting the powering away well, getting it out again, good. β so you're not getting tangled up or anything like that. So that's kind of fun as well. feel like, like, yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (24:19)
Yeah, there's a lot
to be, there's a lot of, β not technical, kind of like finicky things about the pair of wing that if you're just doing downwinders, like you pop it up and you put it in your stash belt once it will take you a long time to learn. β and I think there's like, I, I particularly like doing transitions and stuff like that. think it's cool because kite foiling was something I did and I love doing a beautiful tack or just a tag and I'm trying some different things with the tact and
Guy (24:35)
Yeah, for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (24:47)
coming out of attack with like a loop. So you powered it's it's, and I think there's going to be a sailing element to power winging. And I saw that at hood when I saw Ken Atgate and Johnny Heineken ride that I was like, holy fuck, what is this? I didn't even know. It's crazy.
Guy (25:04)
Yeah, I feel like that I didn't really realize
that either really until I got there and then everyone's doing like these like swing around the back and stuff like that and you're just like, fuck, I thought we just went upwind and then downwind. We actually just go on the flat.
Daniel Paronetto (25:10)
Yeah. Yeah.
same.
I know was in my
little pocket here of nothing happening in Australia, like me and everybody's like, and then getting there and everybody's doing these around the world and trying different things. it's fun. It's just so playful. Everybody's in the water, trying these tricks and falling and just getting up and just going for them. It's so cool.
Guy (25:30)
Yeah.
Erroring spell when you can get going and get in pretty easily, I reckon. Yeah, that's hard. You don't get that in like, Europe or probably where you are at times.
Daniel Paronetto (25:40)
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, look, I think at times it is tough and we get those 15 odd days here too. β and I'm trying to refine a little bit my light wind riding because I think that's one element of the parrowing that sucks is light wind riding. And once that's solved with, you know, gear, but also a little bit of, you know, better writing, I think it'll open up a lot of spots around the world that are light wind spots and you know, lakes and that kind of thing. And it will, get there. I mean, we're still.
God, some brands are still in their first iteration of a parowing. And Armstrong doesn't even have one. Where's Armstrong's parowing man?
Guy (26:20)
Yeah, for sure.
It's gonna be there. It's gonna be, I think it's in the pipeline. I'm waiting for them to give me a shout and be like, wait, there's a couple of prototypes coming down your way. And I'll be fucking stoked. A strategy of hiring.
Daniel Paronetto (26:26)
Come on.
I know it's, it's time. It's definitely time. Everybody's stoked. Every
everybody in the crew is stoked. Like, β you know, Oscar was frothing up in, up in hood as well. And I saw him there and I'm sure he was frothing in WA on it as well, but.
Guy (26:50)
He
was braffing for sure. Yeah, he was like on some dodgy powering though. Like, he was on like, I don't know what brand it was, but like, it had like strings coming off it, you know, like he's obviously been given it as like a proto or whatnot because Oscar's not buying it. And then like, yeah, no, he's just like struggling and you're just like, fuck, it's like 25. He's just like on this piece of drama.
Daniel Paronetto (26:52)
Ha
wow.
He's like tweaking it.
my God.
Guy (27:17)
But like what you what you
Daniel Paronetto (27:17)
I'm sure I need to get him on something.
Guy (27:18)
were saying like about the the whole evolution of pairing I definitely see that in the future like you can imagine like because I feel like I'm well You've obviously got like your sizes that you'd love like like my favorite size is probably a free five like that's that's my favorite size But I imagine like, you know, you're talking about the lighter wind stuff like the sub 15 knot stuff is Yeah, super tricky at the moment. Just a jive is pretty hard
Daniel Paronetto (27:33)
3.5 is pretty good.
Guy (27:46)
Yeah, for sure. It's gonna get better. And you can imagine like through the sizes the materials changing I'd imagine as well like in the future like making those those like you like when one super light and easy to stow and you know, like the free free five like you don't you can have a bit more you wait behind the thing because you're going out in good breeze and like that that's fine and then it'll be more durable and stuff like that. So yeah, I wonder whether that's gonna go in the future but β
Daniel Paronetto (27:53)
Hmm.
getting rid of some bridles and yeah.
Yeah.
Guy (28:16)
I feel like there's gonna be so loads of, it's gonna be so much tweaking I imagine, but they're already sick, aren't they? Like, I feel like the way they've got like six pretty quick, like, I mean, compared to winging, mean, winging started off really fucking hard, like, you know, like leaky bladders and like, you know, like that sling wing that, you know, like there was some bat, you know, like that, that, that weird shade one and then like,
Daniel Paronetto (28:20)
Yeah. They're sick.
β my god, the sling wing.
I remember.
Guy (28:45)
feel like, um, this is like, I you would, do you have the, uh, the Roger? But like, I mean, like, that obviously wasn't that great compared to what we got, but I guess you gotta start somewhere.
Daniel Paronetto (28:54)
Yeah.
You got to start somewhere. think, I think, what do you write? What do you write now on the powering? What powering are you writing?
Guy (29:05)
β I've spent a bit of time on the Ozone and bit of time on the F1. The pocket rocket and the frigate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (29:09)
Yeah, so those are great, right? The frigate. Yeah, those are really good pair wings. I
think, I think, β Ozen got it right pretty, pretty like well on their first go with the pocket rocket. and I think the, the very first one that I tried, like the Malik or the BRM.
Dude, it did its job. You just couldn't really flag it too much on the A's and you always had to have a little bit of tension. So you would ride it like a sea-line kite. You you're always underpowered and the thing was a bull. You know, it was, it was super hard.
Guy (29:32)
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like that
was a bit like the D-Wing.
Daniel Paronetto (29:47)
Yeah, the D-Wing,
the D-Wing and I feel like the D-Wing was a little bit of an evolution on that because it wouldn't collapse the leading edge at all. You could really release the A's. Yeah. They, they, they had something going back then when they launched theirs with just the stability, the fat leading edge compared to BRM, all that stuff. β and then I think the next iteration was Ozone that they just created something that you could.
Guy (29:56)
Yeah, yeah, true. It was so stable, huh? Yeah, that was...
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (30:14)
I still ride the pocket rockets today, even with the power pack, that new one that came out, I still prefer the efficiency of going up wind. β and then the stow, you know, you stow, take, you takes a little bit longer. If I'm in a wave kind of scenario, then I might take the power pack. Cause the stow on that thing is ridiculous. It's so good.
Guy (30:17)
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like...
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it just comes down to how much better the Stoas compared to how much bottom end slash upwind ability you're losing. Because I'm guessing you're going to lose wind range as well with the shorter lines.
Daniel Paronetto (30:44)
Mm-hmm.
You don't do that was the one thing that I was super impressed with the power pack. Like it, feels a little bit more grunty. Like it sits in the, in the middle of the wind window. So you're being pulled down a little bit more, but it has amazing top end if you have the technique and that's where it gets a little bit funny because, β it's easier to get up. So I would recommend it for people who want to get into the sport, but then once you're up and you're little bit overpowered, let's say you're five knots overpowered, man, that thing is juiced.
up, so you need to have a good, you know, body position to, go upwind and the, the upwind angles aren't bad. I think it compares to like a, you know, a flow V1. So it's fine. It's not too bad. Um, it's not a pocket rocket, but it's fine. But the, safety and the quickness of your store, which I want to talk to you about because
Guy (31:26)
Okay.
Okay, no, not too bad. Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (32:37)
you put, you posted it. I don't want to, I want to share this clip and we'll, I'll let the clip run.
And you can just talk over what's what's happening. β this is from the w a part five big swell hits. β my God. When I saw five, I'm like, he's onto something. I but I know. I think there's a six, have a six. Holy shit. He's probably, β and man, you had, you had a proper.
Guy (32:45)
Okay.
Part five. Ooh, that grabbed you, didn't it? That bloody got ya.
Five! Fuckin' who's who's watchin' all that mate? Alright, they keep comin'.
Daniel Paronetto (33:12)
like stow, catch the wave. Cause people don't show that bit. They show them on the wave. And I liked what you were showing because it was like catching the wave, how you're positioning yourself. You go down, you're packing the way and you did like a nine second stow, which I counted. I count my stow time, β which is pretty quick. Yeah. Because depending on where you, I did a seven. Yeah.
Guy (33:30)
Really? That's cool.
What's your fastest?
Yeah, that was good.
Daniel Paronetto (33:38)
And you only
Guy (33:38)
Nice.
Daniel Paronetto (33:39)
count the stow if you can redeploy it later, if you just shove it in like a wet towel, you need to read it. And that's the thing. Like you rode the wave and then you popped it back out and you know, you were up and riding. So I'm going to share this clip. You gotta, you gotta, otherwise, you know, what are you doing, mate? Let's chuck this up here. Can you see that?
Guy (33:43)
True. Yeah. Yeah.
You gotta get it back out.
Yeah, we're home.
Daniel Paronetto (34:01)
I'm going to chuck no vol on this, but you can talk through what we're seeing here.
Guy (34:07)
A nice, some
nice, okay, we've got a nice beach. Lovely blue water. Here we go. Stow, boom. She's getting away. 3.5 meter figure. quite a solid wave. It's building up. The good thing about this spot was the wind direction. Like having that like side on shore breeze. Like, cause most of the time,
Daniel Paronetto (34:11)
How beautiful, look at that water. Here we go, look at this.
Pulling it in. my God.
That's a good one.
Mmm.
Guy (34:36)
we were riding in spots that were more like side shot or side offshore. And I found like the stowing on this with this wind direction coming side on meant that you could catch the wave and then go downwind while stowing. Whereas some, like a lot of the spots, like I was riding, I had to almost stow on the way out and then toe and then pump and then get onto the swell and then ride it in.
Daniel Paronetto (34:50)
Mm-hmm.
Guy (35:04)
Cause when you're riding in, you had too much pressure on the, on the parrowing. Um, so this was, that was great for that. Yeah. I mean, like nice way. This was a, these were nice ways. So like, they're not like too, they're not like too heavy. Like there's quite a lot of water moving, but like, they're not like super critical, which was, which was actually really, really fun. Um, so just having like, you know, like that, that work right way.
Daniel Paronetto (35:09)
yet.
Guy (35:31)
Also helps and like solid brief. Look at the wind. Like you can ride, like you can ride a small foil, like riding, being able to ride a small foil in ways like this just like makes it like so, so much better. You know, like, I like that's half the problem with powering. So I was riding a 590. β so yeah, that was, that was like the smallest foil I rode with a powering.
Daniel Paronetto (35:34)
Yeah, I could see four.
That is mega. What were you writing here?
590,
is that a medium aspect? β yeah, sick. And what... β
Guy (35:58)
It's an MA? Yeah. So yeah, that's kind
of like, that sick to be, that foil felt, well, like, you just, you're just pairing the foil to the waves and these were, like, especially when you can, like when the wind gives you the opportunity to pair it to the waves, like you've just got to like, you just got to ride what you want to ride. You know what, you know, you know how it is, like with like, I'm sure you have the same, like, you know when like,
Daniel Paronetto (36:09)
Mmm.
Men.
Guy (36:25)
Well, that's, I really love to ride it that day and it's windy enough for me to ride it that day. So I'm just going to do it, you know? Um, yeah. So this is another spot where it's a bit more side show, uh, annoying. So, I might, there might be some more powering stuff, but, um, yeah, so this, this, this, this spot's a little bit more across show or across off. Um, and like it is just much harder to stow.
Daniel Paronetto (36:29)
How good.
What a spot.
There's, I'll bring it here. There's you again.
Guy (36:55)
And like, because the other wave actually like, it gave you that chance to chip in from the outside, whereas this ledges a lot more. β being able to like, get on the swell before it's got super critical is pretty helpful, I reckon. β Which is, yeah, hard to get.
Daniel Paronetto (37:03)
Yeah.
Do you feel, do you feel we
can, um, we can have like, don't know, some sort of different accessory that we can ride that would make the stowing a little bit easier because I think the belt is fine. Look at this monster. God. Okay. I'm going to pause it. Otherwise we're going to just, we're just going to be watching videos for the whole time. Um,
Guy (37:30)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's fucking so yeah good times
Yeah, pretty fucking
good time.
Daniel Paronetto (37:40)
The, don't know. I think that there's like an opportunity to maybe do like, β like a proper wave stowing accessory kind of thing where you might even store it in the front, like in a chest where you just pull it in. It's quick quickly in something and the, then you're riding like, you know, and.
Guy (37:56)
Yeah,
yeah, feel like it wouldn't be like, I don't find that I feel like it's more the the amount of like tension that gets on the powering. That's the problem that makes it hard to stow it occasionally. I find like putting in the pouch all right, once you get used to it, I feel like the pouch will get like that ozone pouch that I get if you've been using the ozone one or what have you been writing?
Daniel Paronetto (38:20)
Yeah, I've been using the Ozone one, they're pretty good.
Guy (38:22)
Yeah, they're pretty good, but I feel like they will get easier, like they will get like slightly bigger, like sometimes you go to put the bar in and it's like not quite going in properly or whatever. Whereas I feel like you can have something even more open somehow and that you can just like not even really think about it, just like push down, put the thing away, put it behind you. So I do love the feeling of like that, like, I don't know, it feels good around your waist, I reckon. I reckon it feels pretty nice that like, behind you and stuff, like having
Daniel Paronetto (38:27)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yet out.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (38:52)
nothing in front of you is a pretty good feeling I reckon. Like if you have like a big belly worth of I don't know, powering I don't know. I've seen some videos like it looked like obviously like fine but like you might as well just put it in the pouch.
Daniel Paronetto (39:01)
I think there's...
There's there's a cookiness about it that I don't like, you know, like when, when I see, I think, I think the one thing that it has to be, it has to be snug. It has to be like compressed into your body because if it's like a saggy piece of front of you, like it looks terrible. And if it would feel terrible as well, like riding that with something like, you know, full of water or whatever, it's, it's no good.
Guy (39:13)
Yeah, for sure, but...
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Like maybe
you're stashing it in your back. feel like that might be all right. saw Jared do that with it and I thought that looked kind of fine as well. But I kind of also feel like, you know, when you stash it in your pouch, kind of like, you can get a method towards like where you put the bar to avoid getting tangled or whatnot. Whereas if you're putting it up somewhere like a bit more like recklessly, I feel like you're gonna...
Daniel Paronetto (39:45)
Yeah.
100%.
Mmm.
Guy (40:03)
you know, you might have problems with it getting tangled and stuff.
Daniel Paronetto (40:07)
Talk
us through your stowing method if you have one.
Guy (40:12)
I'm like a frontline stoman. I'm all friends.
Daniel Paronetto (40:15)
Mm-hmm. It's a
thing now. I'm a frontline stow man. How good is that?
Guy (40:20)
Yeah, well, what
you? What would you class yourself as, Dan?
Daniel Paronetto (40:23)
I
classify myself as a four lines domain too, A lines, front lines.
Guy (40:28)
You're a full-line
frontline, Just a
Daniel Paronetto (40:31)
It's a big difference
grabbing all the A's or just the middle four, but you talk about yours and then I'll talk about mine.
Guy (40:37)
β so I'm yeah, I think I'm grabbing quite a few A's to be honest. I'm grabbing almost the whole bunch. and I'm, you know, I feel like you're basically, you're basically getting the, you know, like, well the, battens, if you can get the battens pretty like, you know, fold, like folded in on each other. That's pretty nice. But I feel like that only really works when you get a new power wing. feel like that really starts to fade as the
Daniel Paronetto (40:41)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Guy (41:05)
the battens get bent later on in the powerings life. I've definitely felt like that. β So I'm grabbing all the A's, I'm kind of getting them Constantine and together the front bands, if I can, because that's pretty nice. You can stir it away and keep the battens kind of pretty straight, especially when you get a new powering, I reckon that's nice. And basically, so I'm doing that, and then at the same time, I'm trying to keep the bar basically on like, not on the bridle side of the canopy.
Daniel Paronetto (41:07)
Mm-mm. Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (41:36)
So I'm trying to keep the bar on the other side of the canopy away from the bridles. So when I'm holding, I've got one hand on the bar. Well, my hand on the bar is kind of doing so with the canopy and my other hand also doing loads with the canopy to kind of like get it into, get it in, get it. I've got the bar on the other side of the canopy, not where the bridles are. And then I'm giving it like a double fold basically. β
Daniel Paronetto (41:36)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah,
Guy (42:05)
But also trying
Daniel Paronetto (42:06)
it's.
Guy (42:06)
to keep the bar kind of on top, know, I'm trying to keep the bar, you're trying to keep the bar away from the, away from the bridles, wherever you can. That's what I feel like. That's the main thing. Yeah. And I feel like, yeah, that's, that's the main thing. And then just being able to, yeah, yeah. And then like being able to put it away, like, you know, keeping, keeping it tidy as well, you know, like often keeping the bar away from everything, you know.
Daniel Paronetto (42:14)
Yeah, I think that's critical. That's critical.
Guy (42:34)
I feel like that's pretty, pretty big. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (42:35)
Yeah. Yeah. I
kind of do the same thing. think, β it really depends on the parrowing that you ride as well. You know, if you have parrowings with long lines, like you get like the pocket rocket, takes a little bit longer to, to stow. β but, but it's big.
Guy (42:42)
Yeah.
Yeah, especially the bar as well. think the bar
makes it, yeah, the bar's quite big. The one thing I do love about the F1 is that figure is like the line length of the bridles is like, it's a bit shorter than the Pocky Rocker. So your easy one hand, yeah. Easy, like, yeah. Your easy one hand and then like, I don't know, it just makes it easier to get away in that sense, I reckon.
Daniel Paronetto (42:55)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (43:20)
especially with the bar being small as well.
Daniel Paronetto (43:20)
Yeah, I haven't,
I can't remember exactly how the frigate stows. wrote it, but I can't remember now, but like there's, there's something to be said about like the reason why I grab only the middle a's is because if I do all the a's on the pocket rocket, it like, reached the leading edge, but then you still have like a bit of a hole where it catches wind. Like the leading edge is not all together. So then if I go the middle four, I get to the leading edge with.
all of those bridles and then I collect the wingtips. have like that in my hand bar in the other hand like you and then I put it on one side. I grab a little wingtip. go over the lines and then I do my folds and man the redeploys on that is pretty easy. Like pretty good. Pretty good.
Guy (44:04)
pretty good yeah yeah
you know the only thing like I feel like sometimes you get with the frigate it's like you sometimes get loops or something in the bridles you know like you know like you kind of get like it looped up a little bit maybe sometimes the part with the pocket rock yeah that which you can't really avoid you know just kind of happens yeah
Daniel Paronetto (44:14)
Mmm.
Yeah, and.
Hard. It happens. think
the, the one thing that I really love about the power pack is they have that distinction in the A's. So the outer A's are separate from the middle A's, which is great. The middle A's come from one line and then they cascade and then the outer A's are separate. So you don't even have to look, you know, you're grabbing the middle A's all the time and the lines are thick, which I love.
Guy (44:34)
Yeah.
Yeah. But
the power parts got like these weird, A's and the B's are really tight together aren't they? Is that right?
Daniel Paronetto (44:56)
They're not like they, well,
they have, they have the bow system, which like, they don't have the bees attached to the bar. So they have like kind of two bees and then they cascade up. β but the A's go from the leading edge, let's say that's the leading edge there. And then they go from the tip to the, to the back of the leading edge. So they cascade into the leading edge. So it's super stable. β but yeah, like if I was here in WA and that in those conditions.
Guy (45:03)
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
for easy to do.
Daniel Paronetto (45:25)
I would be on the power pack for sure. For sure. To get away. And I think there's nothing better than a good redeploy. How good is it? Like you finish a wave or you finish a little downwind section, you pop the power wing back up and it pops out. You're like, all right, it's on, you know, and then you get into that it's on. yeah. yeah.
Guy (45:27)
Yeah, together, yeah.
It's on. We're back in. It
is pretty nice and I mean, it can be pretty exhausting trying to get the, you get going as well on the parrowing, compared to winging. The power's not often on time.
Daniel Paronetto (45:54)
Yeah, tell us about that. Like how that
that starting journey on the parrowing for you, how how did it go? Did you get it pretty quick or like kind of struggle a bit with it?
Guy (46:07)
Um, I feel like I was kind of like, I say I was like, don't know. I guess we're all kind of early adopters, but, um, we were probably like, like, I, when did I do it? I must've done it last year. Probably, probably this time last year. I reckon I did it this time last year. I reckon a year ago. Um, and I remember going out on a pretty breezy day on a downwind board with the Entus Roger. What else would you start on? Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (46:24)
Mm-hmm.
β that was a doozy.
Guy (46:36)
Yeah, and just like, like it was fine, but it was like hectic, you know, like there's a lot going on like, like I'm getting pulled down wind off the board. I'm like, got the got the the β wing caught around the nose. Because like, you end up being so dark, like, you know how it is like, I start you often start like, I feel like empowering you often starting on your good side. Even when I'm
Daniel Paronetto (46:43)
Hectic.
yeah.
Guy (47:06)
even when I'm switched, like I'd start and then switch my feet, but I'll definitely get going like for me, goofy. So like starting toe side with that in strong breeze on the downwind board and you just like, you got one hand on the wing. just, yeah, it's just like going everywhere. And you're just, you're on a downwind board, good swell. You're taken out. So that was my initial, but I did have some like.
Daniel Paronetto (47:09)
Hmm.
The wing is like fwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopwopw
β my god.
Guy (47:35)
good rides that day. I wasn't stoked, I wasn't frothing like this is the best swing ever, but I was like, β it's kind of fun to not having anything in your hands. It is a good feeling not to ride with anything in your hands for sure. Winging on shore conditions is always gonna be, if you wanna ride the waves, β it's fine, but you're always having to do something with your hands to keep the wing out of the way.
Daniel Paronetto (47:40)
Mmm
Guy (48:04)
or if it's too windy the wings always getting pushed onto you, whatever really. So just having that ability. So you kind of, I kind of clocked it like, well that could, well it's like, I don't know. I don't blame him the gear at that point because like, what is this? It's a power, like, we, yeah like we haven't, you haven't rode anything else. So you're just like, well it's just like powering's pretty hard. Like I can't see many people getting into this.
Daniel Paronetto (48:19)
It was the, yeah, they were early as well. They put something out pretty quick.
Yeah, woo,
woo, it's a handful.
Guy (48:32)
And yeah, is
like, then like.
Daniel Paronetto (48:37)
Did you, yeah, no,
and then you went, you used a different pair.
Guy (48:41)
So yeah,
then like, feel like, well, we got, we got a shop here in, in where we live, like my parents and like, it's like a family shop now, which we stock like, kite gear and whatever, hardware and stuff like that. So we, I've kind of, we can kind of get hold of stuff, you know, to demo and then to sell what. So I tried to get hold of the D, the D wing, um, cause that.
seemed at the time to be the one that everyone was raving about. So I got hold of 4.2. So that was probably like May or something last year. And I had some good, I can't remember having any like vividly good sessions. I think I went out in too light a breeze with it and then just got pissed off that it didn't jive. Like I couldn't jive it like consistently, which is like a normal thing. And like having, having damp air as well.
Daniel Paronetto (49:14)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Guy (49:32)
come to like realize with the power, the whole powering thing, damp air on some particular power wings make them really, really hard to use. I feel like that's why the pocket rockets been like a really good adapter in the UK and like these colder, damp environments with that light material. The water seems to shed off that easier than anything I've rode. I haven't really had any experience with the BRM, but I've heard that's something similar. So I can't remember having like any great sessions with that.
Daniel Paronetto (49:36)
Mm.
Mm.
Yeah, they're pretty good.
Guy (50:02)
Um, but I kind of got going a bit, but I can always get, remember getting a bit pissed off with like not being able to drive it properly. You know, anyway. Yeah. So, so, um.
Daniel Paronetto (50:11)
When was
that breakthrough session that you were like, all right, we're doing it now, this is a thing.
Guy (50:21)
I I had a couple of, we've got like a Rivermouth spot really close, like pretty close, it's called Banffam, which is like pretty close to where, like an hour drive. And I reckon it was in the summer and I just had, like I feel like I was always getting a bit frustrated at times last summer. feel like the wind was light, I was riding a full meter, which is hard work, but I had some really good rides. Like I can remember having some sick waves, like just like hands free on like.
Daniel Paronetto (50:45)
Hmm.
Guy (50:51)
I think I'd like gone down to like a 75 litre mid-length or something like that, which is like, I guess, yeah, which was like sick to ride hands-free on like a 70, like, you know, like a small-ish board. And like, whoa, I was just like roughing on that. was just like, wow, this is like crazy. You can ride a medium aspect foil hands-free on like a good wave. It's like, wow.
Daniel Paronetto (51:05)
yeah.
Guy (51:18)
This is going to be sick. So I was kind of frothing there, but I was also kind of frustrated as well. I it like a mix of like not being able to get going or always having some problems, you know, like always having a few problems, you know, like, you know, always like in the waves or whatever, just always like not being quick enough to get going, going too far downwind and like, you know, like the tide coming in and taking you into like a river. β but
Daniel Paronetto (51:31)
There's always something. Yeah.
Guy (51:45)
But I feel like it was clicking, you like you had enough, you know, like how it is, you get enough hope and you're just like, well, this is gonna be sick. I just need to like either sort my own technique out, get better at all, like, yeah, or just, yeah, it's just get better really, isn't it? It's all like, you just gotta understand. I feel like you also just had to understand like it wasn't winging where you could pump the wing hard and get going.
Daniel Paronetto (51:56)
Mmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Guy (52:12)
It was like something else where you genuinely needed the wind to be a certain strength to get going. I'm not a small bloke by any means. Like I needed like, I'm probably like high eighties, I reckon. So I was just like, well, I need like, yeah, I was thinking like, at the start, probably like I was needing like 15 or 18 knots, like to be comfy, you know? I feel like, yeah, yeah. So that's what, so I was thinking like, it's not like.
Daniel Paronetto (52:18)
Mmm. What's your weight?
Yeah.
Mm-mm. Yeah.
Guy (52:40)
can't do this all the time because it's like the light breeze stuff is just tricky man. Isn't it? It's still tricky. I think it's still tricky. I I feel like my technique's got better in the light breeze with getting around stuff, but I feel like that will always be a tricky point. I don't know about you.
Daniel Paronetto (52:45)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's, it,
yeah, I think it, it's like kite foiling, right? Like you, could really pick apart who's a good rider in the light wind days. You know, if it's 12 knots, you could see who's, you know, working the kite, who's flying the kite well. And it's kind of the same with the para like in light wind now, like I'm mostly tacking, you know, I try to avoid a jive. If I jive, I might do a little stow jive. Like you run your hands through the A's, you pump, you know, into the jive and you do the jive and you toss it out again. β
Guy (53:05)
Yeah, for sure.
you
Daniel Paronetto (53:26)
But
those things at the start, you you were just wearing the pair. I would try to jive and the thing would just fall to my head. I'm like, what is this? Classic.
Guy (53:31)
Yeah, yeah. You like the classic one where you like,
you just fucking, it comes straight at you. Or like it goes from behind straight at your back. You're like, what the fuck just happened here? Especially like when I was doing it, you get onto swells, you go down swells. You know when you like, you're on a wing or something, you go onto a swell and you just like, it's cruisey drive. Cause you're just like, obviously you have your wing, you just like cruise into the next tack. With that like,
Daniel Paronetto (53:40)
It goes...
Yeah.
It's crazy, man.
β yeah.
Guy (54:02)
You had to- you went on the wing and then the f***ing thing is coming into your head! He's just like-
Daniel Paronetto (54:06)
Someone throws a wet
towel in your face.
Guy (54:09)
And you're like, how's this even possible now? But then you kind of go to figure out how to like stall the wing and then you do the bit of that action and then you're not looking to go down ways when you're driving. You're just looking to go stay in the drafts and then flick it and then flick your board quickly. Yeah. But yeah, as you say, light wind, the tax is a mega one, isn't it? Especially on a good sized oil.
Daniel Paronetto (54:14)
Mm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, that's it. Like, β I would encourage everyone to just try it and just do a session and get those out of the way. Cause once they come, like the, sailing just gets that much more efficient as well. And if, if you're doing laps, you know, also you, you go up wind much quicker, much more efficiently, all that stuff. And I think people are getting there now. And I think the gear at the start didn't really allow for that. Like, β man, those first pair wings, if you were trying to tack, the thing would just pull you, yank you down wind and you would just fall in your.
on your back. I think, I think the, the pocket rocket was the first one that allowed a lot of people to do that. The D wing as well. The D wing kind of opened that up a bit. remember some of the guys in Maui.
Guy (55:04)
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, think that the D-Wing was pretty
nice. feel like the hard thing often with tacks is like, if you're not on a good size foil, I find like when you come out of the tack, sometimes you end up quite slow. Like you often end up having to pump out of it, tend to find. So having like a good size foil, which you often have when it's layer braids. Because I don't know about you, but I find like the tacking kind of goes out the window when it goes to 20 knots or more.
Daniel Paronetto (55:27)
Yep.
Yep. Yep.
β not it used to, think back in the day with like the early gear, but nowadays, man, I'm tacking in 30 knots and it's pretty, pretty fine. I'm actually finding it, β like here in the Bay, cause we have like super short periods swell. It's super fun to like tack into a wave. And as you're tacking, you're already stowing the pair when coming down, like you try to incorporate different things into it. β yeah, it's, I just love that.
Guy (55:53)
yeah. Nice.
yeah, nice.
That sounds sick.
Daniel Paronetto (56:12)
bit of writing where you're, know, you're just optimizing everything and you get those little one percenters, but it just, it's a little extra thing to add onto it. But with the pocket rocket, you know, like the pocket rocket is the one that I feel just sits so well in the edge of the wind window. And it just, it's, it doesn't have any resistance when you are doing the tack and going up wind. And I find it really hard sometimes to transition from the pocket rocket to something else because I can feel that pull.
Guy (56:19)
Yeah, for sure. That sounds awesome. β
Okay, yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (56:42)
you know, downwind and it kind of like, and that's when you lose the speed of your tack. So you have to go into tack like at Mach one and you know, I think some people feel it's a little bit intimidating to approach a tack like that. β so I feel the pocket rocket is easier just cause you can go at it a little bit slower, but you'll keep the speed through the turn and all that stuff.
Guy (56:43)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that
is pretty nice. That's a good feature of it, hey, just like that fluttering. It hits the fluttering super well. Yeah. Yeah, and it's comfy.
Daniel Paronetto (57:08)
β it just, yeah, you just don't feel. Yeah. You mentioned, β
you mentioned you were writing the MAs, in WA. I think that was a, like a huge kind of change in my quiver from last year to this year, or the end of last year, I started writing the, the X series from code, which is like a 0.2 aspect ratio. I think it's similar to the Armstrong stuff. have a, is it an eight aspect ratio MA?
Guy (57:36)
Yeah,
yep.
Daniel Paronetto (57:37)
β And man, when you're, when you're riding a wind powered sport, those MAs are just unreal. Why, why are you choosing those over like the UHA, for example, that just came out as well? it's, know, people are frothing on that.
Guy (57:47)
Yeah.
Well, yeah, feel
like, yeah, well, I feel like I'm using a small MAs in general. I say I would use the big ones. Like if I was going to use like the, you know, above like 800 or something, I'm going to use like a HA or a UHA, just something with more glide. But in that small size, it just feels like bit of a no brainer. Like I want to carve as hard as I can. And those foils just allow you to do that. So it's just like, why wouldn't you? You know, like I'm not.
I feel like the glide is not like a massive problem, especially in that kind of breeze. Cause often the bumps are steep. Cause you're in 20 knots of breeze often. So the bumps are steep. β Like I'm not like riding in like really big fetch zones, know, like where the period's huge. like, feel like if the period's huge, that might make you want to go on like a higher aspect.
Daniel Paronetto (58:30)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (58:50)
just to be able to keep up with the bumps easier. But for like surfing, especially with like the smaller board, I feel like that in the future, we're gonna all size down and down with the development of the power ranks. even with the mid length, like, like I've tried using like the medium asics with the downwind board and it's real, it feels really weird. Like it really doesn't feel like it gives you enough lift, but just having that smaller board.
Daniel Paronetto (59:14)
Mm.
Guy (59:18)
It just feels right to be honest. It just feels like the dimensions fit the dimensions of the foil. How wide, how like the span of it almost. Like it just feels, like you just feel locked in. You just feel like the rails kind of like bank as hard as like, like they kind of just, it all just fits together. β Well, with those media matrix, I kind of feel like, I don't know what you think. What boards are you riding?
Daniel Paronetto (59:24)
Mm-hmm.
I agree, I know I'm, um,
um, so I'm on the 65 leader Frank. Like it's basically like that mini dart, but just with some different dimensions. And I also have an 80 liter, which is the bigger one. the 70, sorry, the 65 is a five, eight by 19 and the 80 is a six, two by 19. And.
That's basically a two board quiver. I'm trying to get away with a two board quiver. I don't want to have, I want to put my like, sup downwind board, you know, away. β but I might still get like a seven, six that I can sub surf on and go out on a light wind day. And that could be the board that I paddle if I choose to, which I never do anymore, but in the Bay, that board is fine to paddle up. it's, it's fine.
Guy (1:00:22)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that the whole quiver thing with the power wings like a real thing. I feel like you definitely well for me, feel like you really find a sweet spot with the board. Like, like you can like, especially if you're doing like you're going like, you know, out at sea and you know, you're you're not you're in Hood River is a different story with boards and whatnot, because you can obviously ride whatever. But like, I feel like
Daniel Paronetto (1:00:45)
Hmm.
Guy (1:01:00)
A lot of the runs, if you're going exposed and stuff, you want to be on something that you can get going, which so it really like, I feel like it really like, you can't drop too many litres. I feel like you always got to leave yourself like with that area of comfort to be able to get yourself going. So I think like, yeah, I've been riding a 65 litre like quite a bit, especially like in the winter here and in WA where the wind's been strong.
Daniel Paronetto (1:01:12)
Mm-hmm.
Guy (1:01:28)
but yeah, towards the, yeah, even towards the summer, mean, like going from the 75 to the 65, there's actually quite a big difference. Like you probably feel the same, like, like just that, that, reckon it's like three or like, you know, four, four or five, not like three or four knots probably, which is pretty big for, for like wind strength, I reckon just that earlier left. It's just like.
Daniel Paronetto (1:01:28)
Mm-hmm.
Massive. Massive.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (1:01:52)
It's so much easier with that. Just more layers, I reckon. And slightly longer as well, just like that, slightly longer length really makes a difference.
Daniel Paronetto (1:01:59)
What's the dimensions of the
65 that you're on?
Guy (1:02:03)
It's like five, nine by 20 or 19 or 20. Um, I feel like that. Yeah. I've got, feel like the length's a good thing. Like I feel like that planing speed, especially when you're trying to get up small foils, if you haven't got like, especially at this moment when power runs are not super efficient, I feel like they're going to get better and you're to be able to ride smaller, everything smaller in the future. Easier.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:07)
Yeah, nice. Nice. It's in the ballpark. It's yeah.
Yeah.
Guy (1:02:31)
Cause like it is an efficient sale, like it is like a, it is super efficient and they will get more like they're to get better for sure. Like we were like second iterations or whatever. So like, feel like, I don't know. I don't even know. Like maybe there would be like retractable line barring though.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:43)
Mmm.
yeah, pull the lines in and you can go from maybe longer lines to.
Guy (1:02:52)
Just like, you know, like a little wine,
you just like, that'd be pretty sick. That would really push you up.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:57)
Trademark that shit, brother, trademark it.
Tell me about the rest of your β kit. you have a board you're on, the 65. β What mast and β what foils do you normally like to ride with the Para?
Guy (1:03:14)
So yeah, as yeah, I've been saying the MA's, I've been loving those for the Para. Yeah, I've been riding those mostly to be honest, especially with the 65 Lea, because I'm going out when it's windier. So I feel like that's the main thing and I'm trying to go out. Yeah, in some swell generally, like if it's wind if it's wind or something. So when I'm on that 65 Lea, I'll be on like an MA, like a 590, 690 or 790. Nothing really bigger than that.
Daniel Paronetto (1:03:31)
Mm-hmm.
Guy (1:03:45)
And yeah, that would generally be my main ones. And then like a variety for like a 795 mask, like an 80 mask or an 865 performance mask. I quite like the 865, especially in the waves or like steep bumps. It's just like that extra clearance when you're going, especially I find through the bottom turn, I've been like really getting into like, you seem to be just
Daniel Paronetto (1:04:01)
I agree. Yeah.
Mmm.
Guy (1:04:14)
Especially when you're on a wave, you're like being able to like crank off the bottom harder, just means you can go more vertical into the, into the lip, which I feel like I've only really just recently just been trying to figure that out. β just being able to go more vertically into the lip, which feels really nice, I reckon. β so just switching around between, like I still ride this shorter mast when it's like, if you're in wind bumps or something, that just feels really connected.
Daniel Paronetto (1:04:22)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Guy (1:04:44)
Um,
and like if you're doing like, you know, like turns and stuff in like tight sections, I feel like the shorter mass really fits that really well. You feel like really like the mass and the wingtip goes together really well. Um, and then like, I've been switching between like a surf stab and a more high aspect stab. So like a surf 130 stab and like the dart 140. So I tend to use the surf stab in more like wave conditions when it's
Daniel Paronetto (1:04:57)
Mm-hmm.
Guy (1:05:14)
more punchy because that's like a fatter kind of, you know, surfy stab. and yeah, that just feels really great for like the angles you can get off that stab combined with like a longer mouth feels like something I got really into. And then like, just like a drivey stab, β for like general downwind conditions really. Yeah, like something with more glide. Like, I know if I even, like just, it is pretty nice to have
Daniel Paronetto (1:05:17)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's good.
downwind-ing. Yeah.
Guy (1:05:42)
especially if you're using a fat front wing. feel like if you, like, if it's like, I feel like in the bumps, especially like if you're, if you go fat on both sides, like you can sometimes lose speed and glide pretty quickly. You just feel that, you just feel like you're pumping too much. Like I feel like you've got to like, the hard thing with the medium aspects is you don't want to look like you're pumping too much. Like it's like, yeah, like you want to turn, but you don't want to, you don't want to like, you got to.
Daniel Paronetto (1:05:45)
Hmm.
You draggy.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's not the point. You want to turn. That's what you want to do.
Guy (1:06:11)
Yeah, you got to try and not pump that much, which can be, yeah, feel like you kind of battle that occasionally. You want to kind of link the time you want to link smoothly, but yeah, I mean, I use the UHAs a lot recently as well, especially when we were in Australia. They were sick. They're like the new, like, I guess they would be compared to like the code R series and they're like,
Daniel Paronetto (1:06:18)
Mm.
Aight.
Mmm.
Yeah.
Guy (1:06:39)
they kind of, they turn really, they're really fun to turn and like the glide, like sometimes it's nice, you know, like if the, if the bumps are more flat or whatever, just having that foil that just like glides through troughs without having to do much is pretty nice. Now and again, like you don't have to, you can just basically stand there. You can just be like set on air and just like cruising between lumps.
Daniel Paronetto (1:06:56)
Mm-hmm.
Guy (1:07:05)
You can just listen to like, sometimes, not every run you need to like do your best turns or whatever. Sometimes it's just like good to cruise and just like have a like, you know, just like kind of link the bumps as effortly as possible. And I feel like those higher asset forwards, you can really hit that spot and those things have a root. Yeah. So it's like a different riding style. I don't know, like, especially if you want to do some long distance, the higher aspects really come into their own, I reckon.
Daniel Paronetto (1:07:21)
You could have fun with those for sure.
Yeah, I don't, I don't see myself doing a 30, 40 kilometer run on an MA. think I'd be like, ah, I probably would go for even like the S which is a six, a nine, six aspect ratio, or then the ours, which is a 13. It's kind of similar. think the UHAs are like a 12 or something. I looked it up before we, started the chat. it's, do you feel though, like, um, the, the higher aspect, the things that I like the
Guy (1:07:52)
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:08:00)
The feeling that I get sometimes when I'm in nuking conditions, let's say it's like 30 knots and you know, pretty big swell. And I tried to like kind of have a surfy downwind or on them that I just feel like they're super sensitive. I feel every little bit of turbulence on the water and like just, just the span, right. And then I kind of feel like I ride at 80%. And I hate that feeling when you're like, you're holding back a little bit. That's something that got me into the MAs.
Guy (1:08:23)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. Like, yeah, it does feel like you're definitely holding back a bit. And it is super tricky to, find like that's why if sometimes feel if you spend so much time on an MA when you go on anything else, you kind of feel really undialed to her. You get really, you get so dialed into cranking turns really hard with that MA and feeling how compact it is and how like even the pump, you know, it's so stiff. And like when you dial in like your
Daniel Paronetto (1:08:45)
So much.
Mmm.
Guy (1:08:58)
We're going really tacky here when you darling you pump when you dial in your pump cadence You know you dump it dialing your medium acid cadence, you know β You take a higher acid flow and you're pumping too much because like you need to let the thing glide so like I mean, that's it's good to keep keep like check keep boiling different foils because like
Daniel Paronetto (1:09:00)
Let's go.
OOH! Holy shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Guy (1:09:26)
Some days are good to ride those things, but I know what you mean. Especially when it's nuking, it feels like you've got a lot of wing under your foot. It just feels a little bit more sketchy now and again, I reckon, especially when you're going fast. Compared to a medium aspect, which is not.
Daniel Paronetto (1:09:37)
Yeah. And I don't feel,
I don't, don't feel like I hit the top end of the medium aspect as well. Like if you, if, if you go down the face of a bigger bomb on a downwind run on, a high aspect, I'm like, Ooh, I'm kind of holding on. And I feel the thing is going to explode under me. The MAs man, like you go down the face and like the more speed, the more locked in they feel. then like the smoother they feel it's, it's the best.
Guy (1:10:05)
It's pretty nice feeling. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty insane. It's funny though, once you go on like, I went on like a five 70 the other day for like a down room run. Cause I just like received the wing and I was wanting to go and you know, you you just want to try it, try it out. And it was pretty good bombs. And I was like, and you actually don't realize the good thing about those, those high aspect files, which you don't get with the medium aspects is the high aspect force just carry that speed. Like even though it's a bit more sketchy, they just like,
go which is also quite a nice feeling which is also like and you can go these weird angles like you can go like across and then like you know like like you can just like
Daniel Paronetto (1:10:35)
There you
Mmm.
There might be something
there like riding the wave, maybe, you know, like a little bit more in the shoulder, but doing like wider turns and then coming back to the pocket. Like, I think you can explore maybe the wave a little bit more. Like you can go into different spots and I don't know if that's a thing, but could be for you to explore, man. I'm not getting those waves on.
Guy (1:11:01)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm for sure like for
sure the medium aspects of my definitely my go to on the powering at the moment like that. That's it. I felt like as you say, like you just so fucking you're locked in and like we go you're going to powering to do cars like you're not. I don't know. You're not really trying to go far like you're not really trying to go fast. You're trying to get like bang for your buck, which is what's going to make it put smile on your face. It tends to be like, yeah, chucking tail.
Daniel Paronetto (1:11:14)
You're locked in.
Mmm.
Yeah. And even,
even going upwind, like because it has like maybe a thinner profile and less span, like it's, just goes upwind better. Like I ride faster on them and.
Guy (1:11:39)
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think they are generally have higher top speed than they like they like even the the media aspect. Yeah, think that I think that's just like a proven point really, because like the ball like the top speed is great. And like with the wind power, you're just like so much more comfy on you.
Daniel Paronetto (1:11:58)
Yeah, 100%. I like the 85 mast as well, because I can crank my angles going up wind a little bit more without breaching, all that stuff. that's, it's very similar setup to what I ended up. What kind of fuses do you use and do you chop and change a little bit or not too much?
Guy (1:12:00)
Yeah.
it
Yeah.
nah, not really. just ride like the 60 fuse. Yeah, that I just...
Daniel Paronetto (1:12:17)
60, yeah. I used to ride Armstrong and
that's what I was on. It was a one.
Guy (1:12:22)
I should probably, yeah, I've got to, I should probably try the 50 as well. Like I sometimes I'm thinking like that would be a kind of fun thing, but I feel like when you're experimenting with like a few things, you kind of like wanna, you kind of want to lock in to like know yourself. Like I feel like I'm still kind of in that process, you know, you still trying to lock in your stabs with different windstrings,
Daniel Paronetto (1:14:10)
you joined Armstrong, what like mid last year. And, β how was that man? Like, first of all, congrats. Cause what a brand to be joining and man, they, they did so well getting you cause you're like on a tear right now. So what, β what, man, I like, I, I, I enjoy your stuff so much, man. I'm always, β following what you're doing and keeping up with you and.
Guy (1:14:20)
Yes.
I'm not sure about that. Everyone would say that.
Daniel Paronetto (1:14:37)
I feel like there's something to be said about, β like what you're doing on the pair of wing and then you get the stop and then you get the wing and like, do everything. β so how long did it take to you kind of like feel you're locked into the gear? Cause it takes a little bit of while to transition from brand. Like, how was that?
Guy (1:14:54)
Yeah, for
sure. Yeah, I feel like that's the brands like all brands are so like, I feel like the foils like are getting closer together. I feel like there's a lot of foils that are kind of hitting like a lot of different sweet spots. I feel like that gap's really going smaller. But like, as you say, the transition like it, to be honest, it wasn't like I feel like the gear was super easy to transition to, be honest, it all kind of
Daniel Paronetto (1:15:05)
Mm.
Guy (1:15:22)
worked well for me. it was all like, like having the great thing about Armstrong, I'd say is the especially with the foils that make it easy is that early lift. So having the early lift just meaning that you can foil size down was pretty, it was pretty insane, I reckon. So you just go on to less span foils, which I reckon turned the better. So that transition was made pretty easy with that. But there's always tuning, I would say like
Daniel Paronetto (1:15:32)
Hmm.
Guy (1:15:50)
you're, especially when you're trying to get dialed in with something like there's always a feeling you're looking for. feel like, which is kind of like, you know, I don't know. It's hard to say, like, you just want to feel like you want to feel stable, but you want to feel like you can push, like push down to whatever it's to. So that, like getting to that point was, was kind of hard. I feel like there was like, you know, there's always tweaking, know, there's plenty, there's always tweaking you can do, but generally.
Daniel Paronetto (1:16:07)
Mm-hmm.
Are you a tinker?
Guy (1:16:20)
Nah, I feel like I just want to get stuff right and then I kind of like leave it there. Yeah. Like when I have something that I like, yeah, like I feel like you can tinker too much. So I feel like once you get like your, just like draw your little lines, know, then you're good to go. Masked position. Yeah. Yeah, just leave your shins,
Daniel Paronetto (1:16:24)
Leave it. Yeah, I like that. Because then you get like really good with that setup.
Yeah.
This is where I put stuff. Yeah, I kind of like that as well.
yeah, I change it a little bit like tails and fuses, but normally I like to have like a bigger front wing compared to my tail for the Para. But bigger is the A10X, like that's on the bigger end. That's pretty good.
Guy (1:16:56)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I feel like that's pretty like, yeah, they're probably slightly less lifted than I'm sorry, I'd imagine.
Daniel Paronetto (1:17:09)
I don't know. I haven't written
the MAs, the Armstrong MAs. β but I think from what people say, I think you're right. They would be probably a little bit less lifty, β maybe a little bit more top-end. think in general, that's how they compare, but I don't know.
Guy (1:17:17)
Yeah.
Yeah,
yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's all good gear, isn't it? Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the gear was sick. It was sick to get on it, to be honest. It was just like, I like it could just unlock a little bit more of my potential, which was cool. especially with the powering stuff, being able to ride the mid-length and stuff like that, that was really cool. Just like...
Daniel Paronetto (1:17:27)
It's all fucking good gear.
Guy (1:17:47)
I don't think that board was designed for that, it's, it what seems, well, I don't know, I've not rode many, but it seemed to work really well for that. And like, it just felt a really good size for that as well. But yeah, I think that's going to be, there's obviously going to be changes in the future β with board design and stuff. β More, more based towards powering, because I can see that being a thing as well. In terms of getting going as well, especially in light air, like when the strong wind, you're just pulling up.
Daniel Paronetto (1:17:53)
Mmm.
Yep. Yep.
Doesn't mean, yeah, it doesn't matter that much. The, β yeah, I feel there's a little bit of something to just having that nose volume dialed into the board where the board sits kind of like a little bit tail into the water. But then when you get a goth that just accelerates and then that movement, you, you match that with maybe one or two pumps and like, that's it. You're up, you know, if you, if you can time it right, β that kind of helps you a lot.
Guy (1:18:17)
But yeah, I when.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,
I feel like that would be like the next gen of boards. feel like potentially the mid-lengths of like the wing area were not so heavy volumes at the front. I feel like you're much more back foot back when you're getting going with a wing compared to a wing. I don't know what you think about that. But yeah, I feel like you're really driving, aren't you, to get going with a power wing.
Daniel Paronetto (1:19:02)
Yeah. No, I think you're right. I think you're right.
Well, I think people that's when a lot of people come from winging. think that's the thing they struggle the most with is that bottom end power, which is so much less. If you compare like, β the same sizes and it's a lot of, β just pumping action, like bottom, bottom body pumping, not pumping the parrowing. always encourage people just to just leave the parrowing stable and almost work on your pump with, with your legs a little bit more and you drive the foil into the.
Guy (1:19:35)
Yeah, for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (1:19:37)
the water to get lift rather than the sail taking you up, you know.
Guy (1:19:40)
Yeah,
for sure. Especially, I kind of find, especially when you're going, I don't know about you, but when I go toe side, I'm really one hand on the parrowing and you're really focusing on getting that ball going. Like you're really like, cause it doesn't pump anywhere near like a wing. So you've really got to generate that, the board speed and that you got to get the initiated foil. Which is, yeah, it's just learning for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (1:19:52)
Mm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
No.
Yeah.
Guy (1:20:08)
Coming from winging, it's pretty like, especially with just wings, you haven't prone or anything like that. like figuring out that initiation is pretty big and how much you actually have to give it.
Daniel Paronetto (1:20:14)
Mmm.
Oh, it's, almost say like, just think about it that the wing will give you 50 % and the board movement will give you the next 50 % because people just stand there with the parowing like you do with the wing and they're expecting something to happen. like, you got to work for it, brother. You got to make it happen. Give it, push it down.
Guy (1:20:35)
We've got to give it some hope. β
Do you feel like there's quite a few people going into powering in your local area?
Daniel Paronetto (1:20:43)
heaps, man. The other day I went out, there was like, I don't know, like β seven, eight people out and three wings. And I'm like, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. In the Bay, β down the coast as well. Like when I go down, β the coast, there's, there's a lot of, depends on the day. They're really into down winding. They're just up down winding. β so if it's blowing the right direction to go down wind, they won't.
Guy (1:20:54)
really? Is that in your bay though? Is that in the bay then? Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:21:12)
touch the parrowing, but if you know, if it's a little on shore or whatever, you see, you know, a couple of guys out there and I think the wave riding now is, is going to get good down there. And that's why I was so excited about these clips, man. Like this wave riding that you did is crazy.
Guy (1:21:19)
There are not.
Yeah.
I think it'll be interesting to see where the wave riding
goes with the powering. like, I feel like the initial thoughts were like, it's a sport where you like, feel like a lot of people saw it as like, you could catch the wave, but if you're not getting the powering back out after, like it's not proper, know? But I feel like that's get everyone seems to be dialing in the stows a lot more, which makes like that whole thing be like, whoa.
Daniel Paronetto (1:21:47)
Mmm.
Guy (1:21:56)
That's an actual completed ride, you know what mean? Compared to like, just like fucking stuttering it away and just riding the wave and then being parked up on the inside, like with the power and just getting nailed. Whereas now I feel like, like once people get the snow and stuff, like, and get it back out good, β the whole wave riding thing is gonna open up massive, I reckon. Especially even being able to like...
Daniel Paronetto (1:21:58)
Yeah. Yeah.
getting pounded with waves.
to give people loo.
Guy (1:22:24)
prone into waves like and then potentially whip the thing out like I feel like that's gonna be a fun thing to see where that goes like yeah like I feel like that's gonna really yeah like it's yeah it's pretty good like I did it a few times in X-Mouth when we were in WA like there's the reef pass there and sometimes like the wind was super light I couldn't get going with the powering
Daniel Paronetto (1:22:26)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you see James Casey's clip on that? A while back.
Mmm.
Guy (1:22:51)
You could just paddle, you just had to paddle out to like where the waves are breaking. You just turn in and then you just get the power, powering back out and shoot you out, shoot you out to sea. And then like, if you, if you'd like come down or you stay inside, you just go and do that again. You know, it's pretty, it's a pretty, like, feel like that could also open up using really small boards in like a wave situation. And on the, on the right waves, like.
Daniel Paronetto (1:23:06)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, interesting.
Guy (1:23:17)
potentially like a beach break or something. But it's just hard to figure out if it's gonna like take away, take over from proning. It depends if like the gains of having the, yeah, cause like if it's gonna be windy then yeah, yeah, tricky. It's like those medium wind days.
Daniel Paronetto (1:23:25)
Different, it?
I think,
yeah, I think it's what's cool about the para for me is like it kind of it's rewarding the foilers who have done it all. Like you said, if you know how to prone, well chip in on a wave on 15, 15 knots and pull the parrying out once you're up and pumping out. Like you can do that.
Guy (1:23:51)
Yeah,
sure. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:23:53)
β you
know, if you wing it then you go down windy, you know how to read this well. Great. Now you have this other little tool that will get you up. If it's, know, onshore conditions, you can go up when you can still have a session on that stuff. So it's, it's another tool in the pack and in the quiver, man. And, β I'm stoked that you're stoked on it. Cause I want to see where you're going to take it.
Guy (1:24:07)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, for sure. I feel like you've got to get stoked on the new sports. Like, like there's not like from winging to like powering coming out. feel like you just like you were stoked when winging came out and then like this next thing comes out where you can ride the waves without like you can do a wind sport, but then not have a sail. And it's just like, well, everything's just like clicking. You're like, fuck, this is sick. Like what, what more could happen? You know, like fucking.
Daniel Paronetto (1:24:34)
Yep. What else?
Guy (1:24:37)
Yeah,
what else are they gonna crowd us these whole times?
Daniel Paronetto (1:24:40)
No,
man, it's crazy. I honestly don't know if there's anything else that these guys can create at the moment, but they're they always surprise us. β I'm curious to see like, what do you do you have anything that you want to do on the para that you haven't like if there's a spot that you want to hit or like, I don't know, a mission you want to do or something that you're thinking, the parrying will be the tool for that.
Guy (1:24:49)
Yeah, I
feel
like it's gonna become like, like I love to do a big like, like maybe like a big downwind send or something like that. Like, like it, like, I or like, I want to go, like I'd love to do like, like good, like I want to do the wave stuff. I want to do like the downwind stuff in like more remote areas where you need to potentially use a power ring to get you out, you know, wherever or not that's like what board you're using. You're probably.
Daniel Paronetto (1:25:09)
Hmm.
Mmm.
Guy (1:25:29)
on the road. Like if you're doing adventures, you're probably using like a sub style board and just like, just to make it safe. So I feel like that would be a super cool thing to like that. I feel like that would the powering would come in really good for that. like, yeah, just like going down, like the car, you just go down the car. You see a wind forecast and you just like want to go down the car. And you just like some days it's just like a slightly onshore and you just take the powering out. I feel like that's going to be super fun to explore that in the future.
Daniel Paronetto (1:25:33)
Yeah, just to make it safe.
Guy (1:25:59)
like new spots that that could like take you to. Like I've got so much that could bring in. Just getting away from the coast, know, like backwash and just like, you know, just, I feel like, especially in the UK, there's just like so much hindrance. Like we've had like since the powering, just, like it just makes it so much easier. We can make runs that are like a real pain, like, like, you know, basically cutting the whole way, you know, and we can just.
Daniel Paronetto (1:26:06)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You
Guy (1:26:29)
blast out. It were not like, like before we went to Oz, we did some like pretty light wind stuff on like the SUP, just like taking the powering from our local spot. It might be like, like 7k down the, like a 7k run, like if you're going to draw a straight line. We can just blast because the wind's probably crossed on shore.
Daniel Paronetto (1:26:49)
Mmm.
Guy (1:26:53)
You even just blast so far out to see, all of sudden you've got like a 15 or 20k run and you're so far out in the bumps. It's like, well, you know how it is. It's pretty insane when you're out there. Like you're like, well, I've got so much space. You're just like, this is like a playground ahead of you. And that's just like that. Yeah. So I feel like it's just like, yeah, especially in our local spot where we've just got like everything's just.
Daniel Paronetto (1:26:59)
It's crazy.
It's the best film,
I know. You get giddy. Yeah.
Guy (1:27:21)
Nothing quite lines up often to make sit down windows so this like having that extra tool to get you out and Don't and not having any drawbacks particular. It's just like awesome
Daniel Paronetto (1:27:23)
Mm.
Is your crew in your local area getting into the para as well?
Guy (1:27:39)
Yeah, yeah, we've probably, there's definitely like, feel like it's never gonna be huge around here in terms of like the general public coming from winging. just feel like the people, everyone in the UK doesn't quite get as much time on the water. There's enthusiasts, I would say. It depends, I feel like, it's not like Oz, know, where people get on the water like.
Daniel Paronetto (1:27:52)
Mm.
Guy (1:28:08)
all the time, you know, there's, there's, I feel like when you get in the UK, like people are not getting out, like, you know, you get to the, get like, you've got four months of the year where it's getting dark at five and it's sub 10 degrees and people are lot less enthusiastic about getting on the water. β so like that is enthusiasts that are picking up the power. mean, like there's definitely like, there's like probably like five people, like five people in our local area. β
Daniel Paronetto (1:28:09)
every day.
Hmm.
Guy (1:28:37)
gone from winging to power winging, which is awesome. It's just trying to like, then you're just like, who could like you to think about like the people that wing and stuff. you're like, don't know about like, you're just, you're not sure people are going to do the powering. like, whatever it they've got the skills or put enough time in to be able to succeed. I feel like if you've got time, you can basically do anything. Can't you? Like, if you've got time and you're committed.
Daniel Paronetto (1:28:39)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Guy (1:29:05)
You can go and crack the whip on anything, but I don't know, like a lot of, feel like that's, yeah, people see it as like, inerjeevable in a way, especially once they sacrifice a burnt.
Daniel Paronetto (1:29:17)
Yeah, it'll get better with gear and stuff, but I think like if you're going out once, twice a week max, you want to ride. You don't want to learn something. You want to get out and ride. Yeah, I get it.
Guy (1:29:26)
Yeah, that's literally the thing. Yeah, everyone wants
the ride and like, they still might not have got to a point in their winging, like they're still frothing on the winging. They still love that and would like, they love being able to, they just love, you know, like, I feel like people love winging still, like, which is really fair and it is such a good sport, but like, and they don't have enough time to like...
Daniel Paronetto (1:29:37)
Hmm.
Guy (1:29:52)
You're like, well, that looks sick. I really want to do that, but I just don't have enough time, you know? That comes down to the people we can worry about, so you just want to like, get a fix. But I feel like that's going to change. I feel like, yeah, and as you say, as with gear and people being, I don't think people can get a moment, who have gone from winging on the average win day can go out on a power winging get going or have a good time. I don't know.
Daniel Paronetto (1:30:13)
Mm.
Not with their gear. They
probably needed, they will probably need a bigger board or, you know, like add something to the quiver, which is also like a little hindrance to, joining something new. Like, I got to buy now a new board. You're like, β it's too much. But.
Guy (1:30:31)
But yeah, I feel like the industry has kind of led towards less boxy boards now, which is a good thing for people as well, because they might buy like a mid-length style board, which is going to be awesome for powering anyway. So that could be a thing going forward, I reckon.
Daniel Paronetto (1:30:37)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Are you going to be doing β the races this year? Are you going to Hawaii in the middle of the year and doing all that stuff?
Guy (1:30:57)
I'm not sure to be honest. I'm not sure about this year's week to be fair. I would like to do it at some point, but I don't know, just like the expense of that is pretty big at the moment. Yeah, just like, I love to do those, like I always see with the books and stuff, it seems like a bit of a nightmare. yeah. β
Daniel Paronetto (1:31:15)
They have to sort that stuff out, man. I thought that by now,
you know, they would have kind of changed that a little bit, make it like less expensive, have, I don't know, your entry fees, you know, maybe 500 bucks more for everyone and then have just boats every five kilometers. I don't know. I don't know how it would.
Guy (1:31:21)
Yeah.
Yeah,
it seems pretty over the top. But like, like, I really want to go and do those races at some point. I want to take it off for sure. whoever, anyone who's done downwind, would like that's the pinnacle of downwind. And I did, like I did the races in Perth and they were pretty fun. were pretty intense. like,
Daniel Paronetto (1:31:34)
Mm.
It's
man, not when in Perth, Jared was telling me about it. That was a nightmare. How was it for you?
Guy (1:31:57)
I mean, it
was fucking intense. Like, yeah, I didn't have much race gear over there. So I ended up borrowing like a new foil from the shop. Like I was just like trying to get my hands on like a big-ish foil. So I went and got like an older iteration downwind performance foil. Like I just like took it out and I was just like, you know, the wind's sucking on your, there's so much weed. And like, I'm just like basically surfing the shore break all the way down the coast. Like, you know, just like chipping, chipping, and then just like.
Daniel Paronetto (1:32:17)
That's brutal.
Guy (1:32:27)
It's just like a beach, it's just like a jaw break the whole way and just like trying to just take that the whole way. β Yeah, well to be honest, was chilling to be honest. I was knackered, but like I wasn't racing at that point. Like it wasn't like, wasn't racing anyone. I was like, I'd sit down on my ball for a little bit. Just like, I was just like, I've got nothing else to do this afternoon. I'll just like keep battling.
Daniel Paronetto (1:32:29)
Mm.
You would have been pooped by the end of that, man. Jesus.
Yeah.
What's the point, right?
Hahaha
Guy (1:32:56)
I'm not going to... We got a whole afternoon for this thing. I got to that point, you're just like, you got to finish, don't you? I'm not faster, I just want to get to the end. Yeah, that was intense. But the racing was cool. It was exhausting, to be honest. It was more physical than I ever thought, to be honest. It's just pumping, really.
Daniel Paronetto (1:33:05)
You gotta finish it.
That's so good.
Do you enjoy it? Do you enjoy the bracing side of things? Like the whole vibe, like, yeah.
Guy (1:33:26)
But, β
I feel like the camaraderie is pretty cool and the vibe is pretty
cool. Like I feel like that really makes the racing really cool. like just having like a group of frothing on that is pretty active. β and it, and like, yeah, I mean, like I was, I was thinking like, cause I didn't really do much like race style stuff or whatever, but then like you take off and you're with like, you know, you've got Jared, you've got James Casey and you've got Oscar and like you're with these
these guys you're like might as well push them like I can't just like like if I'm like down the pan like I'm gonna like chill but like if I'm up with guys I've got you've got to try haven't you least so so like it was it was kind of like fun in terms of like well I didn't I didn't realize like like you know you know when you get to somewhere you're like shit if I try I can be with these guys on occasions even if it's fucking exhausting even if I
Daniel Paronetto (1:34:01)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go!
yeah. yeah.
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guy (1:34:26)
My heart's never worked this hard in its life.
Daniel Paronetto (1:34:29)
As soon as
they start pulling away, like, I didn't want it anyway. Screw this.
Guy (1:34:32)
Yeah, I'll just do some
weed hops. Yeah, you just, yeah, the weed was really bad that week as well. But like, I feel like I've never done any races that have actually been in good conditions. So I feel like Hawaii would really tick that box. Like, I feel like I've done a few Europe races, which have been tricky as in France and stuff. I don't know, they've never been windy enough really in general. And then there's WA ones which were
Daniel Paronetto (1:34:45)
yeah.
Guy (1:35:02)
a weedy old trick, yeah, pretty brutal. So I feel like, yeah, just having like, I know, it just looks like fast bumps there, which looks like you can just stand on bumps for longer, which is less tiring potentially, but I feel like it was always gonna be tiring. But the channel crossing's just like epic, don't they? You can't just like back away. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:35:17)
Yeah, it's yeah, it looks epic. I'm with
you. I still want to do like that just to, just to experience it. You know, like, I don't know if I would do it in a race scenario because like the boats are just nightmare, but even just going there and doing that run and experiencing that channel crossing and just knowing what it is like. Cause then when you see the races, you just have that knowledge. β I know what's going on there a lot more. Cause
Guy (1:35:42)
Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:35:43)
I think if you haven't done the run, you can kind of look at it. can imagine it, but once you're there, you know, the speed, you know what it feels like and for how long. And then you're like, wow, those guys are animals.
Guy (1:35:51)
Yeah, it's pretty...
Yeah, I think it must be really cool. Especially like the races where there's no boats, just being like in the middle of two islands, like just with like, you're just like going underneath massive, I can just imagine like going underneath massive drops and just like, there's people everywhere and you're just like somewhere aiming for some point. It's just what it's like. the fuck? Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:36:14)
people disappearing in the horizon coming back up. It's, yeah,
it's, if it's bombing, man, whew.
Guy (1:36:18)
And then like you're supposed to be in
a race and you're like fuck I've got to keep going. I say one day.
Daniel Paronetto (1:36:22)
Yeah, let's go. Yeah,
I'm sure you'll get there, And like, I would love to see you there this year, but man, the cost is a bit prohibitive, I think for a lot of people. What β are your plans for the rest of the year, man? Do you have anything that you know is going to happen, like a trip or something with Armstrong that you're going to be planning? β
Guy (1:36:34)
Yeah, the cost is big. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So basically, think we're going to do Armstrong invited us to come out to NZ in March, end of March, which is going to be, which I'm really excited about. Yeah. Always wanted to go to New Zealand. So yeah, that should be really, really cool. And it'll be great to see all those spots. And yeah, it still seems like a kind of uncharted spot.
Daniel Paronetto (1:36:56)
That's a good spot. Beautiful.
Sick.
Mmm.
Guy (1:37:14)
I also want to go to Norway this year. I want to go up to that northern part of Norway and just like, even try and do some down running or some foiling in like the fjords or there's some waves up there as well I think. I just feel like it must be a really cool landscape and a really like sick place to go to foil and stuff I reckon. I don't know but I feel like it's worth it. want to scout it. I spent a
Daniel Paronetto (1:37:19)
Norway.
Yep.
Guy (1:37:42)
few years like summers going to Ireland which is really cool and like some sick conditions there but I feel like that that whole coastline is kind of uncharted for foiling and I would really love to check out some spots up there so yeah that yeah and then just yeah around for the summer yeah how about yourself what's your plan
Daniel Paronetto (1:37:46)
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
I think I want to get to Maui this year at some point. I was meant to kind of do a little strike mission to get the the Frank boards that were done. like, you know, like bringing the boards down was like $800. I'm like, oh God, I might as well just buy a ticket and spend a little bit more money and visit Maui. I think Maui for wind sports is insane. So I want to try to get down there at some point.
Guy (1:38:27)
Yeah, I think the power
I think looks like it's taken off there.
Daniel Paronetto (1:38:33)
yeah. Like so many people just like you look at those follow cam car videos and you see so many pair wings out. So, and I want to meet some of the crew there as well. Like I have, I've interviewed some people like Elliot, you know, LeBeau and I'm like, I want to meet this guy. Like, and he's frothing on the, the pair of wing and legends, man, legends. they're just, you know, parowinging at the beach. So I think that one would be a cool one. Maybe hood if I have enough money to get down there, like hood is.
Guy (1:38:49)
Yeah. Yeah, the legends are, yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:39:04)
you what hoods like, so that would be cool. Those are the two that I'm trying to line up. And I should go to WA after watching your clips.
Guy (1:39:06)
Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah.
Yeah,
you should go to WA next summer. Yeah, you'll have an awesome time down there. β yeah, just to consist. Yeah, you've got so much on your doorstep there, huh?
Daniel Paronetto (1:39:16)
It's man. It's amazing. So that's the plan. We'll see.
Yeah, we, β we're spoiled down here, man. We had a good summer as well. Like the wind has been good here. So when the wind's good in your local spot, you get less antsy, but once it starts to get into winter. Yeah. I want to get out.
Guy (1:39:36)
feel like that's the thing, huh? Yeah. You always want to like
leave your local when it's the shitest time in your local. enjoy your local while it's good. That's often the thing here in the summer. It's just like, it's hard to leave here in the summer because like, it's like four or five months of it being really good. And then it's just like, that's it really. You know, you've got to have it while it's there. You're like, you're chasing, you know.
Daniel Paronetto (1:39:44)
Yeah, when it's five degrees and wet.
Mmm.
I'll take it.
Guy (1:40:05)
You gotta... β this is my point 11 now, it's the end of the day. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (1:40:08)
That's right. Might as well just be a nomad. Bro. It's,
it's been awesome to, to finally meet you, β get to know a little bit about you. And, and I mean, your writing is like, love to watch you ride, man. So I really keen to see where you're to continue to do on the pair wing this year. So keep pushing that and, β yeah, hopefully we bump into each other somewhere sometime and yeah, just.
Guy (1:40:37)
Yeah, for sure.
Daniel Paronetto (1:40:37)
Holler out man if
you need anything or if you have something that you want to share β Always here man. We have we have a look direct line now, bro
Guy (1:40:44)
Yes.
Appreciate it, Dan. Thanks for having me on the podcast. been all time and yeah, good job of all your efforts pushing the sport where it can get to. And yeah, excited to see where you get to in the next year or so. Yeah, it's been awesome meeting you.
Daniel Paronetto (1:40:56)
Yeah.
β not far, man. I'm
the average writer, Joe, with a podcast. So don't expect too much.
Guy (1:41:06)
And I'm looking forward to seeing the clips go out. I want to see that fucking tack on to the bum, so away. This sounds next level. Get that on video. I'm looking forward to it.
Daniel Paronetto (1:41:09)
Yeah, I need to get. Yeah, I'll get one of those. We'll get one of those.
Sick man. β Good chat with you guys. I'm going to let you go because it's late. β But thanks for your time again. And man, awesome to see you evolve and push the sport like you're doing it.
Guy (1:41:24)
Yeah, nice one Dan. Appreciate it.
Cheers, Trevor. Appreciate it. Nice one.
Daniel Paronetto (1:41:32)
All right, catch you bro.
