Daniel Paronetto (00:00)
Today we have Dmitry Evsev. Yevsev? Yeah, Dmitry the Russian. Dmitry the Russian it is. If I see something new, I want to try it. Do you remember how it was to learn? Yes. It's the best day of my life. It changed everything. What was the hardest thing for you to learn on the Parawing? How to properly store it for help.
100 % of redeployment. I'm curious to know from you, what do you think makes a good power wing? For me, it's most important thing. Can you tell us a little bit about your stowing technique? Maybe much better if I show, I take the power wing. You have a similar passion. You do a lot of accessories for yourself. Bump cap, quick deploy, additional leash.
This is prototype of Jeff from Hydro 3D. His new prototype hook. Now in when this is magic finger. It looks like something else, Dmitry. It looks like a condom, man. Yeah, yeah, exactly. From all of the brands that you've tried, what do you think is the best pair of wings today? Right now, it's quite simple.
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Daniel Paronetto (03:31)
Welcome to the lab rat for the podcast. My name is Dan and today we have Dimitri Evesiv I know I said that wrong. We tried to do better pronunciation before the podcast. Evesiv I don't know if that's even better, but we'll try ⁓ no We have Dimitri the Russian
Dmitry Evseev (03:46)
It's okay. Dimitri is the Russian is okay. Yeah, everybody knows me here.
Yeah, Dimitri the Russian everybody knows hear me in Le Monde. So don't. No worries, I'm okay.
Daniel Paronetto (03:59)
Dimitri the Russian it is. Dimitri, I'm so happy to have you on the podcast. I've been following every video that you post about para winging since the beginning. And I know you've been on the para winging journey from the very start as well. And when I went online to search for information, I found you and you were the first guy I found. So I'm super excited to talk about para winging. But before we get into all of that stuff,
I want to learn about you and a little bit about your history in sports and how did you get involved in water sports and how did you start foiling from the beginning?
Dmitry Evseev (04:40)
Okay, thank you very much that you invite me in podcast and for me it will be first experience and I want to say sorry for my English because I have conversations only on the beach. I've never learned.
English before and I'm not so great in this. ⁓ So how about me? was born in Russia in Kursk region in a town and there we have a swimming pool. So all my school years from ⁓ seven to seventeen years old
I had swimming and I was not bad in this type of sport. I won some ⁓ city and region competition and I think this experience laid a solid foundation for my passion for sport and especially for water.
Daniel Paronetto (05:42)
Nice.
Dmitry Evseev (05:54)
Maybe that's why I live here now in Mauritius and have fun every day in the ocean. So, and during my students years, ⁓ I started extreme sport like rollerblading, snowboarding and Russia called and my first...
Daniel Paronetto (05:54)
Mm-hmm.
Not bad.
Yes.
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (06:23)
experience with a kite it will be snow kiting. I tried snow kiting it was 20-25 years ago something like this. After this I forgot about kiting I ⁓ tried windsurfing and when I remember when I bought some ⁓ equipment for windsurfing
Daniel Paronetto (06:26)
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (06:52)
in a small Russian ⁓ store. They sell equipment. They told me, guy, you need to the kite surfing. Kite surfing, what is it? They show me how it was. No, it's not for me. I prefer windsurfing. But after two years, I started kite surfing. And like all the kites, I started traveling around the world.
Daniel Paronetto (06:57)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (07:22)
to find great places for riding. I tried to find waves, wind. And one happy day, I came to Mauritius. It was in November 2011, so already 15 years ago. And here I understand that I want to be in this place because here is really great
Daniel Paronetto (07:38)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (07:51)
condition. Every time is ⁓ south-east wind, south-west swells, so it's great place for riding every day. I already live here 13 years and I become deeply involved in foiling here.
I try and count kite foiling, Tao foiling, foil surfing, SUP foiling, pump foiling, wing foiling, and today it's parving, so I'm happy here. This is my story.
Daniel Paronetto (08:14)
Yep.
You
Wow.
Well, it's beautiful,
What made you move to Mauritius? And, you know, from Russia, you said, I want to live in this beautiful place. I'm packing my bags and I'm going to Mauritius now.
Dmitry Evseev (08:41)
I spoke with my wife and on this moment I'm already was in the sport because I had store in the Moscow I sell equipment for kite surfing for Russian market. And I understand that I can do it same in Mauritius. So when I came we open a pride shop.
Daniel Paronetto (09:01)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (09:10)
It's already worked here 13 years. We are dealers of Cabrinha, Australian brand Ocean and Yours, other brands, kite surfing, foiling, surfing, everything, because here we have a lot of water sports and we already worked 13 years. And I told my wife that why don't try to live here? Because our kids
Daniel Paronetto (09:10)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (09:39)
were really small at this moment. My biggest boy was seven years old and my other boy was four or five years old. And my daughter was born here. So we just moved to Mauritius and we are living here our best life.
Daniel Paronetto (09:54)
Mm-hmm.
beautiful.
Beautiful.
Yes. ⁓ so happy for you, What was the first foiling discipline that you learned? Was it the kite foil?
Dmitry Evseev (10:18)
Yes, but very interesting that first time I tried kite falling not in Mauritius, because in Mauritius solid strong wind and for us kite falling is something strange. It was before in 2015, think, when they started, 2015 or 2016, something like this. Yeah, and we just went to...
Daniel Paronetto (10:26)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Somewhere around there. Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (10:46)
vacation in Russia and in Moscow, the is pretty light. We have there one lake there where a few hundred kite surfers tried to ride, but the wind is really, really light. And they started to make kite falling and tried it there first time because the wind is, I don't know, 10 knots.
Daniel Paronetto (11:03)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (11:14)
and what you can to do. You only can try kite falling. So I started, I catch the balance. It was not so easy, but I was already experienced at kitesurfer and I catch the balance, understand how it works. And when I back from this vacation to Mauritius, I figure out that I can use it on the wave. And step by step, I change it my...
Daniel Paronetto (11:14)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (11:44)
used my experience from kite surfing because ⁓ I wrote a lot on Etwanai, Manawa and tried to use ⁓ kite foil on the wave. Yeah, ⁓ yeah, yeah, but you can see the videos on my website. also, I think it's nice videos of kite foiling on the waves.
Daniel Paronetto (11:54)
Mm-hmm.
Not easy, huh?
Dmitry Evseev (12:13)
And after in 2019 or 2020 when started wing falling in the world, was first slingshot I think, yeah, was wing.
Daniel Paronetto (12:21)
Mm-hmm.
⁓
To be honest, there's a lot of different pockets of where it started, but Slingshot had an early one ⁓ for sure,
Dmitry Evseev (12:31)
Yeah, yeah.
So when we saw it's first time on Manawa, we wow, what's something new? Need to try. And step by step, I stopped kite surfing and tried to make wind foiling.
Daniel Paronetto (12:47)
Yeah.
And you went, you started to surf prone with the foil as well or wing afterwards. Yeah. F, everything. Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (12:52)
Yeah, yeah, yes. I made it everything.
here in Mauritius, we have really special conditions and you can have fun every day. Wind, no wind, waves, no waves. Anyway, you can find something what you can to do. From Foiling, really great condition also. I just take my hybrid board by Cabrinha. It was
Daniel Paronetto (13:04)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (13:22)
30 liters or less, 20-26. It was really hard to pedal, but my regular surfboard is 27 liters shortboard and for me it was okay. Anyway, used kite foil Cabrinha front wing. I used kite foil board, but I can front foil anyway. I have fun.
Daniel Paronetto (13:28)
It's tiny. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (13:52)
⁓ I had fun and I understand that I can use any type of foiling and it's very interesting. Also very fast we understand that we can write TAU foiling because we have the rescue board that we can use also for TAU. And I tried SUP foiling.
Daniel Paronetto (14:01)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (14:17)
But I don't like it because you need big board and it's not so... It's same like, you know, if you surfer, for you stand up pedals surfing, it's something strange because you need to use big 100 liters, big volume boards. Why? If you can just pedal on short board and have more radical turn, it's more interesting.
Daniel Paronetto (14:17)
Hmm?
Yeah. ⁓
Hmm.
Yeah,
yeah, for sure. And when was the first time that you actually saw the the wing? And do you remember?
Dmitry Evseev (14:55)
Yes, so like other of us, we saw advertising of BRM. I think it was end of August 2024, something like this.
Daniel Paronetto (15:03)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, think it was
August 10th or 11th that I think Greg launched it to the world.
Dmitry Evseev (15:14)
Yes,
I saw it and in this day I understand. Yes, I want to try it because if something, if I see something new, I want to try it because I live in Mauritius. I made a thousand times of wing foiling at Manawa and I'm already was happy with wing foiling and try to find something new. And
Daniel Paronetto (15:21)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (15:43)
I understand that I want to try and after a few months, think it will be in November, one Russian brand, Windmaster from St. Petersburg, they sent me their first prototype of PowerWing and I tried it in November of 2024.
Daniel Paronetto (16:00)
Mm-hmm.
2024. Yeah, wow, really early. ⁓ Do you remember how it was to learn?
Dmitry Evseev (16:13)
Yes, yes,
it's the best day of my life because it's ⁓ changed everything. So my first time was near the shore. It was ⁓ in Le Monde. I take especially big board what I found because I saw already videos and I understand that
Daniel Paronetto (16:20)
Yes. And the worst, I probably as well.
Dmitry Evseev (16:41)
This is device for downwinders and I need to use downwind their board. So I found a SUP for downwinders, installed there my regular foil, what I use it for every day riding at Manawa and tried and maybe after five minutes I already figure out how to start, but I can go upwind every time I'm going downwind and
Daniel Paronetto (17:10)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (17:11)
walk of shame go back by the beach yes and next day ⁓ wind was more stronger i'm already tried with my regular ⁓ windboard ⁓ it was core roamer 55 liters it's pretty small board but wind was crazy strong and when i started i was
Daniel Paronetto (17:12)
There you go.
Mm-hmm.
⁓
Dmitry Evseev (17:39)
Totally overpowered, my power wing collapsed, but I can ride. After five minutes, my arms was dead totally. But I understand, wow, I can go upwind, it's great. And already next day, was, it was my first downwind. And yeah, but... ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (17:51)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Wow, nice.
Dmitry Evseev (18:09)
We really fast understand that ⁓ regular boards, what we use for wing falling, it's not great because they're stuck, they're really wide and you can't easily start. And we understand that we don't like ⁓ SUP 100 liters of volume boards because too much volume, not so easy to upwind, not easy to
Daniel Paronetto (18:19)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (18:39)
⁓ turn and we tried to find something new. And I remember that it was ⁓ Duatone Skybrite, Midland board, 70 liters. We tried and understand, yeah, you can really easy to pump it on the start, really easy to launch. And now all my friends use Midland boards for parawinging.
Daniel Paronetto (18:49)
Mm-hmm, great board.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, perfect. Did you get instantly addicted to the power wing?
Dmitry Evseev (19:14)
Yeah, in one day. just understand I will stop with wing foiling because ⁓ I don't jump. My ⁓ experience of wing foiling, it's only waveriding or just freeriding. I don't use straps. I don't do any tricks.
Daniel Paronetto (19:22)
Yeah, immediately.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (19:42)
and we already made some downwinders with wings but every time you are annoying that it's when you keep it the handle you don't see where you go and every time it's block you you can be really free best way what i found it just
Daniel Paronetto (19:53)
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (20:05)
throw out the wing and just have fun. And the rescue board just picked up at my wings and followed me. Yeah, it was my way of downwinders with wingfoil. And here I understand, wow, para wing. You can pack it, attach it in the back and you're absolutely free.
Daniel Paronetto (20:17)
Not bad.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (20:33)
That's why my second day of practicing parawinging was downwind in open sea and no issues.
Daniel Paronetto (20:33)
Mmm.
Beautiful beautiful you I mean you have a lot of experience coming from kiting and winging and prone Like what was the hardest thing for you to learn on the para wing?
Dmitry Evseev (20:57)
⁓ So, in beginning it was just controlled in ⁓ overpowered condition, but ⁓ I didn't understand when I was powered, because nobody can explain you, yes? It's just new toy for you, for everybody, and you don't understand, are overpowered or underpowered? And, ⁓ for example, if it's a wrong board, wrong foil, in the beginning, you try to start, you can't.
Daniel Paronetto (21:10)
Yeah.
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (21:27)
But sometimes you can start easily and immediately you're overpowered and your arms as dead after five minutes. So this was really hard part. But step by step we found right equipment. Already other power wings was much, much better. ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (21:27)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (21:57)
Most, next step, was how to properly store it for half, a hundred percent of redeployment. Because my first, packing, it was, I don't, yeah, I didn't understand what I do. I just collapsed it. And after I, when I try to redeploy, I have maybe 10 % of stacks.
Daniel Paronetto (22:03)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Like all of ours
Dmitry Evseev (22:25)
⁓ of our deployment. So you sit on the board and you have 10 minutes to work with spaghetti and you're absolutely frustrating. All your friends who write around you on the wing can say, man, just forget about this shit. Just use a wing foil and have fun how we do it.
Daniel Paronetto (22:26)
Yeah.
Yes.
You
I love the I love the persistency because I think because you knew how to kite you saw the potential you knew what it could be and what it could feel like and I think it was very similar to me I didn't know anything and I saw it I'm like I want that I want that because it's a small little kite it's going to allow us to go upwind and do everything all of the all of the ⁓ sports prone downwinding winging jumps
You could do everything with the parrowing. It allows you to tap into all of those disciplines. So I'm happy you stuck with it, man, because the beginning, especially back then, it wasn't easy with no information. ⁓ So give us a little bit of some tips for the beginners today that are getting into the sports. ⁓ They buy a brand new parrowing. What should they do with it?
Dmitry Evseev (23:47)
Just start. Just start. Don't wait for the perfect or ultimate version of ParaWin because you could end up waiting forever. If you feel curious about it, just go and try. I recommend ⁓ starting with the biggest board you already have from Windfoiling.
Daniel Paronetto (23:48)
Just that.
Mmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (24:11)
You need a large front wing and choosing the right condition. You need have ⁓ enough water level, for example here in Mauritius, ⁓ high tide, low tide, yeah, you need water. You need a good steady wind and use the most modern power wing you can get because
Daniel Paronetto (24:24)
The tides. Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (24:39)
The new models are more stable, more user friendly, and it will make the learning process much, much easier. And also, I suggest practicing on-land. For example, using a skateboard is great way to understand how to parrying flies, how to turn, how to control it, just to feel it.
Daniel Paronetto (24:51)
Yeah, for sure,
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (25:07)
to feel how it flies, it will be better first steps on the skateboard or just walking on the beach. Because when you go to the water, you will have a lot of problems with the tangling. First time, for you it's a nightmare. You throw...
Daniel Paronetto (25:17)
On the beach, yeah. Yeah.
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (25:33)
I told that it's not possible to untangling the lines, but just ⁓ give you time to figure out how it works and you understand that it's nothing complicated with untangling.
Daniel Paronetto (25:42)
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just patience and getting used to the lines and the gear. And now you look at a tango, you already know that you have to put the lines through and it gets easier.
Dmitry Evseev (25:59)
Yeah,
like this, yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (26:02)
⁓ I'm curious about, I mean, you test a whole bunch of gear from a lot of brands. You've been really since the start testing pretty much all the pairings. I think you've written them all. ⁓ I'm curious to know from you, what do you think makes a good pairing?
Dmitry Evseev (26:21)
For me, the most important thing is how the power wind handles strong wind conditions. ⁓ Some power winds have a pretty narrow wind range. And when the wind gets stronger, especially in really gust conditions, they start to collapse. Their wind tips fold in.
Daniel Paronetto (26:30)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (26:50)
just don't fly properly. And modern power wings handle overpowered condition much better. Their leading cage ⁓ doesn't collapse and they keep flying no matter what. For me, the most important thing is how the power wing behaves in very strong wind. If it remains stable and keeps flying reliably, then it's good power wing.
Daniel Paronetto (27:20)
Yeah, it makes sense.
Dmitry Evseev (27:20)
So that's.
Daniel Paronetto (27:23)
I ⁓ think there's also, and I agree with you because the flying characteristics, you can really see what's working well when it's overpowered situations. And then you see how the pair of wing is built and how well it's been designed. And the other thing for me that is really important is just the ergonomics of the lines and how it feels and how it packs, because we've never had to do that with the equipment. We never had to.
pack down the equipment while we're riding and put it away. And I think some brands now are starting to design their pair of wings, making it easier to stow, making it easier to pack away. I think, do you feel there's anything that you think still needs to be improved in the pair of wings? What areas do you feel the pair of wings are still lacking in performance?
Dmitry Evseev (28:16)
First, I want for me and for the market, I think it's very important to find a very simple and reliable way to store a power ring. Something really, really easy like a button, an umbrella. Because all of these lines
Daniel Paronetto (28:28)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (28:38)
When people from sight see how you do it, for them it looks really dangerous because lines on ⁓ your hand inside the lines, it not looks like ⁓ something easy, yeah, because it can be dangerous, really dangerous if, for example, wipe out and waves and you're tumbling.
Daniel Paronetto (28:45)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (29:05)
So I think it's a very important thing to try to find the really simple way to holding, to storing. And also I think we need more easy start than we have now. ⁓ Because we can't use power wing for pumping like inflatable wings. Because inflatable wings, they're rigid, yes, you can... ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (29:16)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (29:35)
it works like wings of ⁓ birds but power wing if you try to pump it you break the wing and it's not works that's why we need to try something maybe special technique maybe a special design of boards or special design of power wings I don't know
Daniel Paronetto (29:43)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (30:03)
Exactly, but 100 % we would like to use the small sinkers. But we can't do it because in light-weak conditions we can't start with them. So that's why my weight is 75. I use now 70 liters board. But before when I was a wing foiler I used 55 liters or 40 liters.
Daniel Paronetto (30:09)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (30:33)
Yes,
if we try to invent something that will help us to easily start, it can be great because smaller boards are more fun on the waves.
Daniel Paronetto (30:46)
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely. I'm curious, so from all of the brands that you've tried and you've tried a lot, what do you think is the best pair of wings today?
Dmitry Evseev (31:05)
Oh, you know, right now it's quite simple. As soon as the new model of Paravane comes out, automatically becomes the best. Because we are still at the very beginning of the sport and manufacturers can easily improve their products. It's kind of like buying kite surfers back in 1998 or 1999.
Daniel Paronetto (31:20)
Hmm.
Hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (31:33)
Just buy a new one and you will be happy. ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (31:35)
And you'll be fine. And
for the waves, because a lot of a lot of the writing that you do is in the waves, which is very different from a pair of wing that you might use for downwinding or a pair of wing that you might use to do laps. What do you feel works better in the waves?
Dmitry Evseev (31:56)
⁓ I think it's ⁓ marketing things. you make a power wing and it can go upwind, what do say? no worries, guys. It's downwind power wings. No, don't say to that it's downwind power wings. Just say you can go upwind with this power wing. That's all.
Daniel Paronetto (32:24)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (32:26)
For me, ⁓ downwind power wings or wave riding power wings or freestyle power wings, no matter. mean, just make really great power wing that can go upwind because my downwinders also need to go upwind. Sometimes you just need to wait your friends or sometimes for go downwind, you need to go
Daniel Paronetto (32:48)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (32:55)
really far upwind, especially here in Mauritius because we have lagoons and to find great bumps, sometimes I need to go upwind five or seven kilometers in open sea. For downwinders I need great upwind ability. for me not important for wave riding or downwinds, just make great powerwind and
Daniel Paronetto (33:08)
Wow. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (33:24)
That's all. We need great upwind ability power wings for anything.
Daniel Paronetto (33:26)
You
Yeah, yeah,
I actually like a pair of wings that go upwind really well as well, just because they normally fly a little bit faster on the water as well. And then it feels a lot like kite foiling, you know, when you're going upwind and you're really powered and you're going fast. And for me, I still feel like if I'm going to ride waves, I want a pair of wing with like maybe shorter lines, you know, and you.
normally ride waves and I've seen you in a couple of clips ride waves with really big pair of wings that you have to get the lines and then go a little bit more to grab the rest of the lines. Can you tell us a little bit about your stowing technique to put a big pair of wing away as fast as you can and to have that redeploy as well, right?
Dmitry Evseev (34:16)
Okay.
Yeah, so why I use big power winds? Because if you go right on the wave in really light wind condition, the quality of the wave much, much better. We have here ground swell. And for us, very important that it wind not too strong. Because if it's wind too strong, wave widths will be choppy, wind swell ⁓ broken the ground swell. That's not great.
Daniel Paronetto (34:41)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (34:48)
That's why I prefer light wind condition. That's why I... And ⁓ second reason, I want to use really small foils on the wave because it's ground swell. If it's waves, yes, I want to be on 6-650 ⁓ square centimeters area.
Daniel Paronetto (35:12)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (35:16)
And for it, for start with it, I need big sizes. And ⁓ I found that big sizes with long lines, it's not big problem if you will use double stage for A's method. So what is the A's method? It's when you ⁓ slide only four middle lines, front lines, but...
Daniel Paronetto (35:34)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (35:42)
Lines are really long. For example, for my short arms maximum what I can store it is 150 centimeters. If the lines are longer than 150, I will use two stages. So I go half, it will be for example 75 centimeters. I stop after I catch the lines here.
Daniel Paronetto (35:53)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (36:11)
and slide one more 75. And they're very important thing to catch leading cage. A lot of people don't understand that when they stuck ⁓ before leading cage and keeping the lines, it's not great because if you don't collapse it leading cage, it's anyway will work like a wing. It will be small, but wing.
Daniel Paronetto (36:14)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (36:40)
It can turn. You can't control it properly if you catch the leading cage. That's why when you slide, I slide with three fingers and use my index fingers and thumb fingers to catch the leading cage. And only after I catch the leading cage, I can properly to stow it. I take it and roll it and pack it in my bag. That's very important thing.
Daniel Paronetto (36:51)
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
Dmitry Evseev (37:09)
to catch the leading cage by your fingers.
Daniel Paronetto (37:13)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Do you have a ⁓ system after you get the leading edge that to fold that makes it or every power wing is a little bit different for you?
Dmitry Evseev (37:25)
⁓ I tested a lot of accessories, a lot, but I understand if you try to ⁓ solve one issue, can have other problems. So, and I understand better, I improve my technique of storing. And if I decide that for me, the 4A
Daniel Paronetto (37:29)
Yeah, for sure.
Hmm.
Yep.
Dmitry Evseev (37:54)
double stage method is the best, I will improve every day, every day. I made it already a thousand and thousand times. And now I understand that it works perfect with any type of power wings. It's not important brand size anyway. This is most simplest and universal method for me to pack the power wing. That's why you can see I
Daniel Paronetto (38:00)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (38:23)
use a lot of power wings, but every time technique of stowing it's the same. And any power wing I can redeploy now with 100 % of success. Because before to redeploy, I see what I do. mean, before it was, I don't have time, I need to
Daniel Paronetto (38:31)
It's the same, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (38:52)
throw it and it sometimes it's turn like this and make some so it's not works properly but now before I throw it I open it and check everything okay and if it's everything okay first goes my ⁓ my back hand and after front hand and when you do it it's make it looks like
Daniel Paronetto (38:52)
Mmm.
Yes!
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (39:21)
And you don't feel... You don't feel... Rывok. ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (39:23)
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (39:30)
I don't feel, you know, when it's the pull very, very hard. it's, yes, and sometimes you can feel pain here or here or here. So very important to do it really careful because it's ⁓ very important for your health, for your hands.
Daniel Paronetto (39:44)
Mmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a very physical sport. A lot of people don't realize how physical the parowinging is. And I think now for me as well, I think about redeploying much more as unfolding the parowing rather than throwing the parowing out and hoping it'll, you know, open up nicely. And I remember in the beginning, I used to just let it dangle by my side and, you know, do this. And it was a little bit better. But if it's wet,
you it's not going to open the way you want it to open and start spinning and then you're in trouble. Right. So, so you grab, you grab the four middle A's. What do you do with the wing tips? ⁓ the two, there's two bits of the leading edge that you're not going to grab if you only grab the middle four lines. Do you then just put it all together and then fold the rest of the pair wing? Do you have a technique to finish it off?
Dmitry Evseev (40:30)
Yes.
Maybe much better if I show, I take the power link and I can show you. Yeah. Okay. For example, I have here.
Daniel Paronetto (40:55)
Sure. Yeah, yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (41:01)
Flow, digging.
Daniel Paronetto (41:03)
Mm-hmm.
What size is that, Demi?
Dmitry Evseev (41:10)
This is 3.7
Daniel Paronetto (41:13)
3.7, cool.
Dmitry Evseev (41:18)
So this is powering. And here is short lines. I can take it in one stage. But I show you how to do double stage, for example, if it's really long lines. ⁓ We are happy that manufacturer makes four lines to operate. You see? Yeah, that's made it special for
Daniel Paronetto (41:20)
Yep, yeah, we can see.
Yeah, that's nice.
Dmitry Evseev (41:46)
for this type of method of collapsing. Also Ozone made it the same on ⁓ pocket on Powerpack. Why they do it? ⁓ Yeah, I explained why the ⁓ storing method with four lines is much better than all lines. How people do it. Just wait a second.
Daniel Paronetto (41:57)
Power pack, yep.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (42:15)
Sorry, Danielle.
Daniel Paronetto (42:17)
All good.
Dmitry Evseev (42:18)
⁓ yeah. Okay. So why I stop do all lines when you stuck with four lines. When you slide with six lines or eight lines, you have this one, you see, and wind is make small wind here.
Daniel Paronetto (42:37)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (42:47)
especially in really strong conditions. And for packing this one, you need to something special movements to kill the leading cage. But if you slide only four middle lines, you will catch the flat area of the front wing, because the wing tips
Daniel Paronetto (42:48)
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (43:13)
It looks like this, but here is where it's connected four lines. It's more, more flat area. Yes. And when you slide there, they're already ⁓ in one line. I mean, all leading cage in one line. And when you catch it there by the fingers like this, you see here is my thumb finger. Here is my ⁓ index finger. And this is very thin. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (43:20)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Perfect. Yep.
Dmitry Evseev (43:43)
And
Daniel Paronetto (43:43)
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (43:44)
it looks like this. So here is windpips. Yeah. And after what I do, ⁓ I move from ⁓ front hand to the bar like this. And I keep it now in one hand. And I have like this, yeah. And I have one free hand.
Daniel Paronetto (43:49)
Yep.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (44:13)
And after what I do, I turn the power wing on 180 degrees like this. see why I do it? Because here is wind and wind helps me to close the lines inside like this. And now lines will be inside. I just touch here and
Daniel Paronetto (44:23)
Uh-huh.
Yeah, okay.
Dmitry Evseev (44:42)
Roll it with tips, everything inside. That's all. And now you can pack it. And very important when you redeploy, yeah? How it looks. You turn. Yeah. And don't do it fast. Just take the leading cage. Take the bar. Make like...
Daniel Paronetto (44:48)
Nice.
Yeah. a hundred percent.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (45:10)
open it and after before I made it redeploy but now I take the leading cage from this side and from this side and I open it. Why I do it? To see that lines are clean. If I understand that some problem I don't do ⁓ redeploy. I stop it and try to fix the problem. But if everything is okay
Daniel Paronetto (45:24)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (45:39)
First go this hand with the bar and after one second go this one. It looks like a chip. Very easy and without problem with your arms. So this is 4A's method and double stage looks like this. You slide till middle after you catch the lines here and you slide to the leading cage.
Daniel Paronetto (45:48)
Yeah.
Yeah, nice.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (46:09)
When you catch the leading cage, just release the lines. So it's staying. Okay.
Daniel Paronetto (46:13)
Yeah, it's all the same.
That's awesome, man. I think, I think a lot of people, like when, when I started to realize how important it was to pack it properly, I didn't stop packing it. I packed it a thousand times on land and I tried doing it one way, doing it the other way, just to see what was faster and what would give me that redeploy. And I think people don't do that enough. You know, they do one, they're like, okay, I got it.
and then they go in the water and then they have to learn the hard way.
Dmitry Evseev (46:49)
I want to add, it's very important thing ⁓ to package to the back. Don't stop on the... For example, you pack it, it's in your hand and you can write if it's downwind or very frightened. But if we speak about downwinders, some of my friends just keep it on the hand.
Daniel Paronetto (46:52)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (47:18)
And when they, ⁓ jump from, bumps to bumps, yeah. A little bit, they stuck and they understand that here they can redeploy very fast, but it's wrong. Better if you parked and your mind is, swap to other, ⁓ other type of work. mean, you will start to read.
Daniel Paronetto (47:32)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (47:48)
Bumps much much better because you understand you don't have power in your hands. All what you have only foils and your legs and your mind. You will start much much better to read ⁓ bumps to understand how to connect it. It's changed everything. So don't start with the power in your hands. It need be on the back and
Daniel Paronetto (48:17)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (48:17)
your
back on the back because only in this type you are free 100 percent.
Daniel Paronetto (48:24)
I agree, man. There's something about the downwinders and reading bumps that you have to dig yourself out of a hole sometimes. And if you just put the para wing up or put the wing back up or press the foil drive or whatever you're using, you're never going to learn how to regain speed when you're really, really slow and you're dying, you know, and you need to get into that position to know how to...
Dmitry Evseev (48:46)
It's lovely.
Daniel Paronetto (48:51)
Dig yourself out of that hole by yourself. And all of those assistance, know, foil drive or wing or whatever, or power wing, they just make it a little bit harder for you to learn because you're always getting rid of it, the cheat way. You get out of it and you keep going. I like that,
Dmitry Evseev (49:08)
Exactly. Cheat
way. So powering in your hand is a way. Exactly. Stop doing it.
Daniel Paronetto (49:15)
Hmm. And, ⁓
stop doing it. Yeah. I tell that to everyone as well. Get it out. Cause then, and I think it's a mindset as well, because knowing that you're free, I think you, you, get more immersed in reading the bumps and recognizing the patterns. And it's a different state of mind when you're trying to, learn that rather than knowing that you're going to do that for five seconds and redeploy. That's.
it's gonna take you a long time to understand how the patterns work on the water and all that stuff.
last time we spoke, you were like, oh, I just got the hybrids. I want to try them. And I was curious to know if you tried them now, because I tried the 777 hybrid the other day, and I know what I think about it, but I'm very curious to know what you think about it.
Dmitry Evseev (51:04)
For me, it's a game changer, 100%. Because before, about double skins, I was not too serious because I saw when people packed it, it's so big one. But when I got a new hybrid by 777, it was interesting when I packed. What changed?
Daniel Paronetto (51:20)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (51:32)
And when I tried first time to pack it, I was surprised because it's not different. It's absolutely same, same easy way to store and redeploy. Not different. But flying characteristic of a hybrid much, much better than single skin power wings. It's more stable. It's very comfortable.
Daniel Paronetto (51:40)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (52:01)
⁓ power, it's a feeling that it's something really, really soft, you know, you don't lost a lot of power, especially if you need to go long ride upwind, for example, don't know, an hour or something like this. ⁓ Don't tire in this time. That's why I prefer hybrid for upwind.
Daniel Paronetto (52:09)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (52:30)
wind downwinders because upwind downwinders it's absolutely unique sport or unique discipline what we can to do with only with power wind and for this type of activity a brick is best of the best I don't know what can be better especially triple seven that what they use really a tin brick
Daniel Paronetto (52:33)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (52:59)
And when you pack it, it's so small, so teeny that you can pack it very easy. This is 4.3 size, but when you pack it, it looks really small. I can show you. Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Paronetto (53:04)
Yeah.
It's really impressive
what they've done with that hybrid. agree. When you're talking about going... Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Dmitry Evseev (53:19)
So small.
Can I add one
more important thing what I found with the
It's not only about doubles, it's also PT skin and also Duotone stash has it. This is the loop. For example, other brand like ⁓ Ozone or F1, I don't know, has F1 new line, but
Like that. This line has two points. For me, it's most important because when you write on the harness, you connect here by hook and you want to change angle of attack. It's light like this, you see, and it's very, it's much, much easier than it's only one single connection. mean, for example,
Daniel Paronetto (54:12)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm
Dmitry Evseev (54:37)
you connected here. So, and if you want to change the angle of attack, you need to use your hand, yeah? And you lose more power because you need to find the right place because here is only one point of... Or you need to ⁓ slide the connection on the bar. But ⁓ with two points of connection,
Daniel Paronetto (55:01)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (55:06)
It's much, much easier. And we already tried to test a new thing. For example, I show you ⁓ this is prototype of Jeff. Jeff from Hydro 3D. made some accessories. This is prototype of his large big volume bell. And now he's... Yeah, yeah, it's a...
Daniel Paronetto (55:23)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's really big.
Dmitry Evseev (55:34)
made it special for packing any power wings because now I wrote a lot with big sizes like 5.4, 5.3, I to try to 7 meters or more because best waves in light wings. That's why I need to use big stash belt to easy to pack. So, and I want to show you his new prototype hook. He made it here.
Daniel Paronetto (55:42)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (56:05)
special metal sparks that's to much easier to slide. You understand the ⁓ idea? To really easy, maybe in automatically to change angle of attack because if it's gust is coming, sometimes you need a little bit to change angle of
Daniel Paronetto (56:09)
yeah.
Nice.
Dmitry Evseev (56:26)
To reduce the power of gust. So that's why I figured out that for me two types, ⁓ two points of connection on a slope much, much better than ⁓ one point, because one point not so great. For example, I show you.
Daniel Paronetto (56:28)
Mm-hmm.
Interesting.
Dmitry Evseev (56:53)
Here is the bar of flow. You can see, you can see this here is was one single point. And when you write a lot of float here, and if you want to move it, not so easy to move it on the water. Yes. You need to stop to little bit untangle and after you can change it because if it's wind more stronger.
Daniel Paronetto (56:58)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (57:21)
you change more to front lines or if it's the wind is light you move on the back. ⁓ in really really gas condition it's every time you need change. That's why two line, ⁓ two points connections much much better.
Daniel Paronetto (57:25)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, nice. I like that. And with the hybrids, when you're talking about going upwind and how long and how far do you go upwind that makes the hybrid worthwhile?
Dmitry Evseev (57:59)
⁓ My last upwind downwinder, it was, I think, one hour, 20 minutes to go upwind. And in open sea, it was maybe seven kilometers from the shore, I go downwind. And when I go so far with the Hybrid 4.3, I don't lose power.
Daniel Paronetto (58:10)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah, okay.
Dmitry Evseev (58:28)
If you're driving by car, make preparing and after you need to pick up your car, you need to think about logistics, you will lose more time and more power than with a hybrid. Because really, if you have good harness,
Daniel Paronetto (58:28)
Mm-hmm.
yeah.
Mm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (58:54)
Because if it's a harness too thin, it can be problem here because you feel it. For example, if it's short session, I don't know if you need to go upwind one or two kilometers, you don't feel any big difference between harnesses. But if you need to go really far, you need to feel any small thing that can be very important when you go upwind. ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (58:59)
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (59:24)
What you need is a hybrid and really good hardness. Soft that can be comfortable for your stomach.
Daniel Paronetto (59:36)
Yeah, and I felt the hybrid has a crazy wind range. went out and it was a terrible wind day. was 15 to 30 knots and I was on the 4.3 and I was fine. It was completely fine in 30 knots. It was pretty impressive.
Dmitry Evseev (59:48)
Yes. Yeah.
Absolutely same for me. It's never collapsed. It's very great in overpowered condition. Also, I didn't find any problem in low wind condition because I saw on the internet that it's not so easy to launch. For me, it's ⁓ absolutely same. If you can't start with hybrid, you can't start with any other power wing.
Daniel Paronetto (1:00:12)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:00:20)
But if it's wind enough, start with 4.3. For example, for me, it's around maybe 18 knots. My weight is 75 kilos. Yes, you can do it easily. So for me, hybrid for today is one of the best power wind on the market.
Daniel Paronetto (1:00:32)
Yeah, I found it was good,
Yeah, I was really impressed as well. What, look, the pair wing puts us in some crazy spots though. What was the craziest moment that you had on the pair wing?
Dmitry Evseev (1:00:50)
All my craziest moments were at Manawa because it's a big wave, drowns well. I remember that once we made a funny video with my friend, an ⁓ umbrella falling. ⁓ So it was just fake.
Daniel Paronetto (1:00:57)
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (1:01:17)
Yes, I can't write with the umbrella, but for video we did it just for fun. And how it looks, I started with my power wing and when I ⁓ was closer to the wave breaking, released my power wing, it just stay on the surface and I opened my umbrella and go from the wave and
Daniel Paronetto (1:01:37)
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (1:01:47)
make that style that I came there with umbrella. so, and my self-body was filming the moment after I tossed the power wing. So in my hand there was only the umbrella. And we did a few takes. So I ended my ride at the channel without my power wing and had to wait for my friend to pick it up.
but after the third take, we just couldn't find it. Where it went, I still have no idea. Yeah, maybe it's sunk, but maybe it's sunk. But I've never seen before a power wing sink. I don't know. So in the second really interesting moment, I discovered that I could shoot my power wing like a slingshot. Got wipe out.
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:22)
no. You lost the parrying. ⁓
Gone.
Dmitry Evseev (1:02:45)
inside a big wave of Manawa and I see that next wave from the set coming at me and it's really big. ⁓ I understand that I don't want to be wiped out with really big ⁓ wave with hands, with power ring in my hands. That's why I make like this and just
Daniel Paronetto (1:02:52)
Mmm.
Yeah, no good.
Dmitry Evseev (1:03:15)
shoot it and it flies 20 meters behind the wave and we start there and after without parving I just go and can't to pick up it.
Daniel Paronetto (1:03:20)
Perfect.
Nice. That's a good technique. love that. Because wave, wave riding, man, wave riding, I think is when you can really get in trouble with the pair of wing. If it's in the water and you're tumbling in the wave with the pair of wing and you're wrapped in it, it can get really bad. Like what's what's the hardest thing about wave riding in your opinion?
Dmitry Evseev (1:03:32)
Yeah.
You know, I can say that if you give me choice, what you prefer, be ⁓ wipe out with wing foil, inflatable wing, or with power wing. I can say you 100 % I won't be there with wing. But when power wing is packed, if power wing packed and you back, you safe because you don't have nothing. What you need just keep the power wing.
Daniel Paronetto (1:04:04)
Mm.
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:04:22)
and make a dive after the set is gone, just swim. All what you need just swim to the channel and there redeploy. But if you have wipeout with inflatable wing, 100 % it will be die. I it hundreds times in Mauritius at Manawa.
Daniel Paronetto (1:04:33)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah
Dmitry Evseev (1:04:51)
Because when wing and your board, your foil, together, it's cutted and so disaster. That's why I prefer B with pocket power wing on the wave more than with wing foil. But what I want to say about ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (1:04:52)
Mm.
Yeah, disaster.
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:05:21)
personal technique of writing of
Daniel Paronetto (1:05:23)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:05:25)
of our powering. So the most important thing is following correctly under stress. Because when you go closer to the breaking wave, you are not very tense and you need to focus on controlling your board and the wave. While at the same time, you need to your powering.
Daniel Paronetto (1:05:39)
Yeah.
Mm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:05:52)
Very important to have your storing technique on an automatic level. I don't even think about it anymore. My answer is just do it. Speed and precision of packing are key for 100 % of redeploying. And also it's important to get the power link into your bag. Only after this you will have complete freedom.
Daniel Paronetto (1:05:59)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (1:06:23)
the way. It's in your hand, you have something, wind tips can be tangled on the line, so it's not great, but if it's packed you are safe.
Daniel Paronetto (1:06:31)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:06:38)
Other advice, don't lose your time in windless day. If you see that today not possible go with sparwing, anyway, you have any options. If you see the wave, go to prone foil, to towel foil, or just for surfing, classic surfing. Because you can read waves, you can understand how the waves
Daniel Paronetto (1:06:46)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:07:08)
works and it anyway helps you in your power wing experience or if it no waves no no wind just find the calm water go to pump foiling for dog starting anyway don't sit at home wake foiling because all of these sports it's about foiling and if you ⁓ use any disciplines
Daniel Paronetto (1:07:09)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. ⁓
Hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:07:38)
Spalling anyway, will help you with powering 100%.
Daniel Paronetto (1:07:44)
⁓ I totally agree with that. also I also saw ⁓ God, have I have ⁓ asked my my wife here to so so many things for me now for the pair winging. I'm doing vests. I'm doing all sorts of things. And I know and I saw that you have a similar passion. You do a lot of accessories for yourself. And I feel that we can still, you know, benefit from having better accessories.
for parawinging, especially for waves. ⁓ Is there anything that you feel could help us like in a wave scenario to stow the parawinging quicker than the belts? I think the belt is okay, but ⁓ it's not the quickest way to put the power wing away.
Dmitry Evseev (1:08:33)
better if you just improve your technique. I found that sometimes when you need to fast stall on the wave, you need to go upwind. Not like, I mean, for example, in Manaus, we have side shore, off shore.
Daniel Paronetto (1:08:37)
Mmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:08:56)
When you catch the wave, if you go downwind on the wave, you lose a very important part of the breaking waves. And that's why you need to be a little bit go upwind than you did it before with the wing foil, because you need to control when it's breaking. And you need time, for example, 10 or 15 seconds for blowing. That's why you need to be a little bit upwind.
Daniel Paronetto (1:09:15)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:09:27)
When you want to store it on the wave, you don't want to downwind totally. mean, like the downwind, because in downwinders you have time. The wave, you don't have time, because you have really ⁓ 10 meters, you need to start to slide by your hand. And if your lines are thin,
Daniel Paronetto (1:09:41)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:09:57)
It can be a problem for your fingers. That's why I tried to find some solution. I used a lot of gloves. I used gloves from fishermen. I used gloves from kite surfers, from bicycles. But I figured out that I don't need gloves because when
Daniel Paronetto (1:10:00)
Mm-hmm.
⁓ yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (1:10:26)
you need untangling, you need ⁓ bar of pens, I mean, yeah. But only one problem what I have, I have problem with my... That's why, yeah, I ⁓ now invent this is magic finger. This is official. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's work. Look at this how it works.
Daniel Paronetto (1:10:30)
Mmm to feel it. Yeah
It burns.
It looks like something else, Dimitri. It looks like a condom,
Dmitry Evseev (1:10:55)
I use it like this. Yes, it looks really funny, but it really works because I have problem only in this area. So here is my Lycra.
Daniel Paronetto (1:11:02)
Yeah.
Yeah, I know what mean.
Dmitry Evseev (1:11:12)
here is magic finger and if I don't need it, for example, I needed my
Daniel Paronetto (1:11:13)
⁓ okay, and the wrist.
Dmitry Evseev (1:11:21)
all fingers to untangling and I don't want to my friends will say me that I use condom on my finger. You can just hide it behind your lycra. You understand what I mean? But if your ⁓ lines of your power wing really thin and really sharp, this is ⁓ better than ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (1:11:37)
Yeah, I put it under the wetsuit.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:11:49)
have problem with your finger here because ⁓ especially of wave riding because sometimes when you slide and go and you need go upwind your lines are really really has have tension that's why it's sharp like like knife
Daniel Paronetto (1:12:11)
Yep. And
it, ⁓ that's the one thing that I told ⁓ Valic from 777 is those lines are so thin and I got used to the power pack, which the lines are so thick. So you can go super fast and it's fine. And I did that on the 777 and I burr, I actually cut myself. Like it actually went all the way through because you have to still quick. Yeah. Send me a condom.
Dmitry Evseev (1:12:21)
Yes.
Magic finger by D.E. Mauritius. Also for me, I can say that PowerPack lines are the best because they are really soft, really easy to tangle or to slide and not tangles because they splice it.
Daniel Paronetto (1:12:43)
I love it. I love it.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:13:02)
I tested a lot of lines and I can say that Dominic who made it from ozone, big respect because he ⁓ tested a lot of lines and now he found it a magic formula that when you store it, you don't cut your lines. But other parvains need to improve for this.
Daniel Paronetto (1:13:03)
Yeah, it's so good.
Why don't we build the perfect pair of wings now? Because I think we have bits of pair wings that we like from different brands. So if you have to build the perfect pair of wing, what bar would you choose? What lines and what style of pair of wing would it be?
Dmitry Evseev (1:13:44)
Okay, what I want, a paring of my dream, yeah? Yes. So let's take the canopy fabric 777. It needs to be hybrid without closed wind tips. mean that sometimes when it's 777 on the water, you need to wait
Daniel Paronetto (1:13:48)
Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm?
Dmitry Evseev (1:14:14)
1, 2, 3, 5 seconds when the water is gone. It's OK if you do downwinders, but in riding, in big waves, you want to be very quick. Also, please take the lines from ozone power pack. So easy to slide. Also,
Daniel Paronetto (1:14:18)
Hmm.
Have to be quick.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:14:42)
prefer short lines ozone power packs and bars.
Daniel Paronetto (1:14:43)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:14:48)
I really like the bar by D-Wing because this is really light and very great thickness. This ⁓ is a small part. For me especially it's very important because I use on wave riding reverse loop. I prefer reverse loop than hook because very
Daniel Paronetto (1:14:48)
That's okay.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, okay.
Dmitry Evseev (1:15:16)
A very important thing on wave riding is to avoid all points where you can tangle with your power wings. And hook of harness is a place where the lines are very easy So that's why I prefer for wave riding to use
Daniel Paronetto (1:15:31)
Mm-hmm.
It will tangle, yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (1:15:46)
a reverse loop and for reverse loop I need this small spar. That's why I really like it bar. And also ⁓ all modern bars that have this spar. So here is clean, only two points of connection and really, really good. don't guys don't make please big bars. For example, here is 30 centimeters is great.
Daniel Paronetto (1:15:52)
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah, small bars.
Dmitry Evseev (1:16:16)
⁓ If it's more bigger, not so easy to part. And for example, 777 bars, it's a little bit bigger. I don't like bigger bars because when you part, it's additional problem for you.
Daniel Paronetto (1:16:20)
Mmm.
This yeah,
I actually had my parrowing line snag on a parrowing that was in the bag and it was the pocket rocket. But the pocket rocket has a big bar as well. And the line got caught on the belt with the parrowing stowed. So anything that we do has to be smaller. I'm always talking about, you know, the the buckles and things they have to have a little neoprene sleeve over it so they don't snag. All of those things make a difference because
If you snag one time and you're in the waves and you have to take a wave in the head, you're going to be really pissed off. So if it's your fault and you fall, I think it's fine. You're trying to do something, but if it's like something in the gear, it gets me so annoyed.
Dmitry Evseev (1:17:11)
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, it's the same. I want to say that my lace on board shorts, for example, here, when I go to write, I keep it inside my board shorts because yeah, because just laces can be problem, lines can catch it. So if something goes wrong,
Daniel Paronetto (1:17:33)
Yeah, everything, yes.
Dmitry Evseev (1:17:46)
It's happened at 100 % on the wave with your power wing. You will tangle it and better to think about this before you go and to delete all bad connection, all things for tangling.
Daniel Paronetto (1:17:57)
Mmm.
yeah, yeah. Tell us a little bit about ⁓ what are you working on now, Demi? Like what technique or what are you trying to learn on the pair wing? What are you currently working on?
Dmitry Evseev (1:18:20)
So if we will say about my riding technique, for me the most interesting and I'm most focused on upwind and downwind session. Because really you don't need anything extra for them. You don't have to drive upwind by car. You can just take your power wind.
Daniel Paronetto (1:18:34)
Nice.
Dmitry Evseev (1:18:47)
right upwind to the point in open sea you want and then go downwind. And in this regard, hybrids really impressed me. if we,
Daniel Paronetto (1:18:54)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
yeah, that's the best thing about the hybrid.
Dmitry Evseev (1:19:01)
Yeah. So about technique, very important to improve your ⁓ method of storing that you need to do it blindly. Blind. mean, you don't, ⁓ process only if you can do it on 10 or 15 seconds. So this, can go to wave riding before it will be every time.
mess and you will lose a lot of time for untangling after each your wave. That's why I improve and improve every time. think what I can to do better, better, better. So I try to find the best technique of the double stage of a method.
Daniel Paronetto (1:19:41)
Yeah.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Nice man. I like it because you're a hard worker on the technique and there's nothing that will beat hard work. You have to do it a hundred times. And before that, it's a muscle memory that you're not going to have. you know it when you have it. You know it when you're going downwind even and you're not looking at the pair of wing anymore. You can do it slowly. You do it with, you know, with
Maybe it's not even that fast, but you do it calmly. In the beginning, everything is so rushed. You get blurry. You see very little. You could only see like a meter in front of you. But as you get comfortable, you start looking a little bit further out. But that's time. Time in the water. And I have two more questions for you. And I know we've been talking for a little while now. So I appreciate your time, Demi. What do you feel is the future of parawinging?
And I'm going to just compliment that a little bit because now we have a whole racing scene that's being built in Europe. We're going to start racing with the parawing. We have people like you, know, really pushing waves. We have people that are just doing laps, people that are just doing downwinders. What do you feel is the future of parawinging?
Dmitry Evseev (1:21:20)
You know, it depends on the riders. ⁓ I hope that you will support and they will bring their previous experience. So I'm confident we'll see freestyle, wave riding, downwinders and naturally upwind downwind session also, because this is thing upwind downwind is really uniqueness of parawinging.
Daniel Paronetto (1:21:30)
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:21:49)
because you can't go ⁓ upwind with a pedal or foil drive. You can go only downwind. But here is you can go really easy. Don't lose your power. Go upwind, packed and go downwind. I'm sure that parawinging will own its rightful place among other water sports. Sure, it will be world championship and everything.
Daniel Paronetto (1:22:15)
Hear, hear.
Dmitry Evseev (1:22:18)
For example, you know that in Leucate, in end of April, will be first ever power link world event. It will be upwind, upwind, downwind. And they will see if it will be interesting, they will make world tool. Other events will be in Europe and other countries and...
Daniel Paronetto (1:22:30)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Dmitry Evseev (1:22:47)
So I will be there at end of April. I want to see how it will be in the future. But future is in April.
Daniel Paronetto (1:23:01)
Yeah, nice. Are you gonna race?
Dmitry Evseev (1:23:04)
Yes, I want to try. want to try and I'm not about sport. just for I'm going there for fun for meeting with the enthusiast of parawinging, same like me, to find some ideas to show my ideas. And maybe in this conversation we can find something interesting.
Daniel Paronetto (1:23:06)
Nice.
Nice.
Ah, amazing man. Well, I think this last question might tie into what you said. What's the one thing that you want to happen in 2026 for yourself?
Dmitry Evseev (1:23:44)
Okay, so I want to travel in nice places to find the of the best downwind runs. For example, I heard that in Australia, really great, incredible conditions for this. And maybe we can meet with you, just say me when is the best season.
Daniel Paronetto (1:23:59)
You should come down my friend.
Dmitry Evseev (1:24:09)
I will check the tickets. I'm sure we have a direct flight from Mauritius to Australia and try to find a solution how to do it. Some downwinders, upwind downwinders. It's pretty time-fun. And also, I want to ⁓ improve my products because I made a lot of small accessories like ⁓ magic fingers. I don't know.
Daniel Paronetto (1:24:10)
Yep.
Good.
Yep.
Dmitry Evseev (1:24:39)
I have...
⁓ Bump, bump cap. What I use it every day. You can see that it's very nice because if you lose it, it will be here. It's really, really comfortable to see. Just a cap. So, ⁓
Daniel Paronetto (1:24:46)
Nice.
Mmm, that's good.
Dmitry Evseev (1:25:06)
what I want to show you more. You know this one, it's a quick deploy ⁓ additional leash. For example, if your regular leash is broken, every time it will be on the hand or on your ear and you can ⁓ very fast to activate it. It's a...
Daniel Paronetto (1:25:20)
Mm-hmm.
yep.
Dmitry Evseev (1:25:35)
For example, if you need help to tow, for example, wind is die and some kite surfer can help you. So it works like this. And two meters of line, it can be used. And also I have sunglasses with a cuprum base.
Daniel Paronetto (1:25:46)
Mm-hmm.
That's so cool.
Dmitry Evseev (1:26:03)
It's a high contrast sunglasses. They made it special to see underwater. It's very important here in Mauritius because if you saw my last video when I tried back to the shore in extremely low tide, so these sunglasses can help me because I can see all corals, ⁓ reefs, stones and try to my find.
Daniel Paronetto (1:26:04)
⁓
Yeah.
Dmitry Evseev (1:26:30)
So this is my way I want to try to open online shop and sell worldwide this small equipment with my logo, the EmoRishos.
Daniel Paronetto (1:26:37)
Mm-hmm.
Well dude, whenever you have anything, let me know. I'm so happy to share and share the stoke because you're one of those guys that every time you post something, I'm like, I'm gonna save that. I need to watch that later because I learned a lot from you, And anything that I can do to help you out, just let me know.
Dmitry Evseev (1:27:04)
Thank you very much, Daniel. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your podcast every time. It's very interesting to see new people. I want to wish you good luck with your project. And I hope we will see you in Australia. And also welcome to Mauritius if you would like to ride on big waves or have fun downwind runs. Here is a really great condition also.
Daniel Paronetto (1:27:32)
I'll definitely make my way down there, man. ⁓ I'm planning my trips for this year, so maybe I'll put that on the calendar. We'll talk offline when is the best time to go.
DB, it's been a pleasure, my friend. I'm gonna let you go now. You can go have your lunch and go have a beautiful session in Manawa because you deserve it. I appreciate your time. Don't stop what you're doing, man. You're influencing a lot of people out there and you're teaching a lot and you're motivating people to get out. So keep doing what you're doing, brother. I'm loving it.
Dmitry Evseev (1:28:05)
Okay, thank you, Daniele.